Odd odds - I saw Liverpool as second favourites for the league with one bookie.

[Luis Anaconda]

6/1 as opposed to us and United at 12s. Fair enough they have had a tough start and down ok but surely the whole point is they tend to struggle against the "lesser" teams while being up for the big games as already demonstrated this season at Burnley :shrug:

Also, well done Sunderland :hehe: Jesus wept - what a mess. Imagine the inept **** of a manager who left the club in that state. I wonder where he ended up :rubchin:

[Pokster]

6/1 as opposed to us and United at 12s. Fair enough they have had a tough start and down ok but surely the whole point is they tend to struggle against the "lesser" teams while being up for the big games as already demonstrated this season at Burnley :shrug:

Also, well done Sunderland :hehe: Jesus wept - what a mess. Imagine the inept **** of a manager who left the club in that state. I wonder where he ended up :rubchin:

The inept **** of a mananger left them in the PL, which seemed unlikely when he took over... the inept **** of a board are still there however

[Ash]

Also, well done Sunderland :hehe: Jesus wept - what a mess. Imagine the inept **** of a manager who left the club in that state. I wonder where he ended up :rubchin:

They were spectacularly dreadful. How Spurs only managed to score one goal against them is astonishing.

[SWv2]

6/1 as opposed to us and United at 12s. Fair enough they have had a tough start and down ok but surely the whole point is they tend to struggle against the "lesser" teams while being up for the big games as already demonstrated this season at Burnley :shrug:

Also, well done Sunderland :hehe: Jesus wept - what a mess. Imagine the inept **** of a manager who left the club in that state. I wonder where he ended up :rubchin:

No European football of any sort and a semi-decent squad / good manager.

Kind of Leicesterish.

[Norn Iron]

6/1 as opposed to us and United at 12s. Fair enough they have had a tough start and down ok but surely the whole point is they tend to struggle against the "lesser" teams while being up for the big games as already demonstrated this season at Burnley :shrug:

Also, well done Sunderland :hehe: Jesus wept - what a mess. Imagine the inept **** of a manager who left the club in that state. I wonder where he ended up :rubchin:

As you say it's probably to do with the games they've had. They've played Arsenal,Spurs & Chelsea all away from home and picked up 7 points. They also beat Leicester at home convincingly. Probably enough to shorten their odds.

[Luis Anaconda]

The inept **** of a mananger left them in the PL, which seemed unlikely when he took over... the inept **** of a board are still there however
30 games to get them for 19th to 17th - with a lot of money spent in January. Excuse me if I think that is an underwhelming return for a man considered good enough to be manager of England :shrug:

[Sir C]

6/1 as opposed to us and United at 12s. Fair enough they have had a tough start and down ok but surely the whole point is they tend to struggle against the "lesser" teams while being up for the big games as already demonstrated this season at Burnley :shrug:

Also, well done Sunderland :hehe: Jesus wept - what a mess. Imagine the inept **** of a manager who left the club in that state. I wonder where he ended up :rubchin:

I was mightily impressed with Liverpool on Friday night; the total really does seem greater than the sum of the parts. If they do sort themselves out against the 'weaker' teams, they'll challenge.

[Luis Anaconda]

I was mightily impressed with Liverpool on Friday night; the total really does seem greater than the sum of the parts. If they do sort themselves out against the 'weaker' teams, they'll challenge.

There may be an element of denial in my resistance to them, sir c. I hate those ****ers

[Tony C]

probably still reeling from last season's payout on Leicester so shortening up anything with a bit of life in them.

Mind you Liverpool fans are pretty fanatical about their club so they probably took some hefty bets after Friday night...back in Uni I used to record all of their European games on terrestrial television on vhs and sell them on eBay for £10.

That cup winners cup final they won 5-4 vs Alaves fetched me £22.

Solid money at the time.

Only thing I'd say is Chelsea a suitable yardstick for judging a sides Premier Leage chances?

They were pitiful last season and are probably worse off this season now they've got David Luiz there.

United are almost similar....pitiful last season....okay then spent £90m on Pogba buts it's the same awful defence from the last 3 seasons.

Arsenal are still the value bet with City worthy favourites....if you want to have some fun then Lester at 150/1 wouldn't be totally out of it now they've won back to back games and have their groove well and truly back.

[PSRB]

6/1 as opposed to us and United at 12s. Fair enough they have had a tough start and down ok but surely the whole point is they tend to struggle against the "lesser" teams while being up for the big games as already demonstrated this season at Burnley :shrug:

Also, well done Sunderland :hehe: Jesus wept - what a mess. Imagine the inept **** of a manager who left the club in that state. I wonder where he ended up :rubchin:

I still fancy Everton will finish above Liverpool, they were excellent against Boro. Mind you Boro's entire tactics seemed to consist of lumping the ball to Negredo

This Idrissa Gueye chap, where the hell was he for Villa last season?

[Luis Anaconda]

probably still reeling from last season's payout on Leicester so shortening up anything with a bit of life in them.

Mind you Liverpool fans are pretty fanatical about their club so they probably took some hefty bets after Friday night...back in Uni I used to record all of their European games on terrestrial television on vhs and sell them on eBay for £10.

That cup winners cup final they won 5-4 vs Alaves fetched me £22.

Solid money at the time.

Only thing I'd say is Chelsea a suitable yardstick for judging a sides Premier Leage chances?

They were pitiful last season and are probably worse off this season now they've got David Luiz there.

United are almost similar....pitiful last season....okay then spent £90m on Pogba buts it's the same awful defence from the last 3 seasons.

Arsenal are still the value bet with City worthy favourites....if you want to have some fun then Lester at 150/1 wouldn't be totally out of it now they've won back to back games and have their groove well and truly back.

Nice to get the expert's view, t. We seem to have been completely counted out of even possibly being remotely in the running. Which is kind of how I like it. City normally start like a rocket, so I don't think they are uncatchable but clearly massive favourites.

Spurs already running out of steam - Dembele and Dier both having to go off with cramp ffs :hehe:

[PSRB]

Nice to get the expert's view, t. We seem to have been completely counted out of even possibly being remotely in the running. Which is kind of how I like it. City normally start like a rocket, so I don't think they are uncatchable but clearly massive favourites.

Spurs already running out of steam - Dembele and Dier both having to go off with cramp ffs :hehe:


Plus Kane could be out for a while

[Luis Anaconda]

I still fancy Everton will finish above Liverpool, they were excellent against Boro. Mind you Boro's entire tactics seemed to consist of lumping the ball to Negredo

This Idrissa Gueye chap, where the hell was he for Villa last season?

First time I have seen Everton this season and very impressed. Bit slow at the back, mind :hide: Expected a bit more from Boro, but as you say, very poor. Hope they start given Callum a game soon. Could even slip into centre mid there. Might struggle to replace Ben "Nephew of Steve" Gibson at the back

[Luis Anaconda]

Plus Kane could be out for a while

Would put money on him being fine - the ****

[Ash]

Would put money on him being fine - the ****

His ankle didn't look too good when it folded in. Still, Poch's magic potions will have him up and about in no time. :drneg:

[PSRB]

First time I have seen Everton this season and very impressed. Bit slow at the back, mind :hide: Expected a bit more from Boro, but as you say, very poor. Hope they start given Callum a game soon. Could even slip into centre mid there. Might struggle to replace Ben "Nephew of Steve" Gibson at the back

Seen them twice this week and on both occasions the stand out player was Gueye

[Luis Anaconda]

Seen them twice this week and on both occasions the stand out player was Gueye
So I believe. Heard he was excellent against Sunderland as well. Quite a decent bench there as well

[Tony C]

Seeing the Spurs players clutching their hamstrings made me laugh....Ponchentino is brutal....I saw he had two training pitches resized to Wembley loooool....brutal....enjoy lads!

No way that team is lasting as long as did last season....look at Kane at the Euros...completely lifeless. Ponchentino is treating them like SaS trainees...brutal day in and day out.