Apparently we're going to let Wilshere leave on loan. What a shame

[Just Trent]

We probably could've got £20m for him in the current market.

[Mo Britain less Europe]

We might have got £40 million or more from Citeh a couple of years back but Wenger would have been slaughtered.

[Exiled Gunner]

Hope he'll stay fit and gets plenty of game time during his loan. Hopefully, a different fitness regime will do him a good and he'll return to Arsenal rejuvenated. Surely he still has a future with the Gunners. Among other things, he's 7 years younger than Cazorla, after all...

[Burney]

Hope he'll stay fit and gets plenty of game time during his loan. Hopefully, a different fitness regime will do him a good and he'll return to Arsenal rejuvenated. Surely he still has a future with the Gunners. Among other things, he's 7 years younger than Cazorla, after all...

Never that good in the first place, English, constantly injured and a clearly has discipline issues. I wanted us to get rid years back.

[Luis Anaconda]

Never that good in the first place, English, constantly injured and a clearly has discipline issues. I wanted us to get rid years back.

*******s, quite frankly. Huge talent

[Burney]

*******s, quite frankly. Huge talent

'Talent without character is like a car without gas'

[eastgermanautos]

*******s, quite frankly. Huge talent

What is that swear word? sh!tters, quite frankly?

In any case, Wilshere needs to get back in the groove. It's not a bad play, imo.

[AFC East]

Never that good in the first place

Seriously?

[Tony C]

The reality is when everyone is fit he won't even get near the subs bench...so out on loan is the best place.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

We probably could've got £20m for him in the current market.

Seems like Juventus might be the choice. He's going on loan to a better club :-|

[Burney]

Seriously?

Yup. Horribly overrated by virtue of being both English and home-grown. The sort of ineffectual, lightweight player people would moan about ceaselessly if Wenger had signed him from abroad.

[NZgunner]

he's the most one footed player I've ever seen - no loss whatsoever

[TheCurly]

Yup. Horribly overrated by virtue of being both English and home-grown. The sort of ineffectual, lightweight player people would moan about ceaselessly if Wenger had signed him from abroad.

I make you wrong B.Smashing player whose main problem is that he keeps the ball too near to his feet, which is far and away the stupidest criticism for a footballer ever.

[Sir C]

Yup. Horribly overrated by virtue of being both English and home-grown. The sort of ineffectual, lightweight player people would moan about ceaselessly if Wenger had signed him from abroad.

Hmm. A tremendously gifted footballer. His Englishness has certainly led to supporters cutting him more slack than other injury-plagued players might have enjoyed, but I don't think anyone has overrated his abilities, tbh.

[Sir C]

he's the most one footed player I've ever seen - no loss whatsoever

Ah, but it's a good foot, NZ.

[Burney]

Hmm. A tremendously gifted footballer. His Englishness has certainly led to supporters cutting him more slack than other injury-plagued players might have enjoyed, but I don't think anyone has overrated his abilities, tbh.

Gifted schmifted. His abilities are defined by what he's actually achieved, I'm afraid, not that of which we might imagine him to be capable.

[Burney]

Hmm. A tremendously gifted footballer. His Englishness has certainly led to supporters cutting him more slack than other injury-plagued players might have enjoyed, but I don't think anyone has overrated his abilities, tbh.

I wouldn't hold that against him. Maradona's right foot was purely there for balance as far as I could see, but he wasn't a bad little player.

[TheCurly]

Gifted schmifted. His abilities are defined by what he's actually achieved, I'm afraid, not that of which we might imagine him to be capable.

Hmmmm again,I disagree.It's like having a pop at Gram Parsons or some such for not fufilling their enormous potential instead of just enjoying the work he did do.

[Tony C]

davor suker too....only had 1 foot but daaaaaaaam! what a foot....

[Burney]

Hmmmm again,I disagree.It's like having a pop at Gram Parsons or some such for not fufilling their enormous potential instead of just enjoying the work he did do.

That's you speaking as a fan. However, if I were running a record label and wanted results, I would kick an underperforming artist off my books. Similarly, as a club, Arsenal ought to rid themselves of an underperforming player.

[TheCurly]

That's you speaking as a fan. However, if I were running a record label and wanted results, I would kick an underperforming artist off my books. Similarly, as a club, Arsenal ought to rid themselves of an underperforming player.

Yay we disagree and no-one has called anyone a ****.wd the new mature awimb

[Just Trent]

Seems like Juventus might be the choice. He's going on loan to a better club :-|

Swapping the bench in London, for the bench in Turin? I'm not sure he's quite grasped the point of a loan move. Surely West Ham would be a better fit?

[Burney]

Swapping the bench in London, for the bench in Turin? I'm not sure he's quite grasped the point of a loan move. Surely West Ham would be a better fit?

He's always seemed like a natural West Ham player to me.

[AFC East]

Yup. Horribly overrated by virtue of being both English and home-grown. The sort of ineffectual, lightweight player people would moan about ceaselessly if Wenger had signed him from abroad.

I have to say I totally disagree. The most talented English midfielder since Scholes in my opinion. I really didn't know anyone thought that way about him.

[AFC East]

Burney, you originally questioned his talent as well as his output. Having seen your other posts, you seem to be backing away from that a bit.

[Burney]

Burney, you originally questioned his talent as well as his output. Having seen your other posts, you seem to be backing away from that a bit.

No. I said he was never as good as people made out. As I also made clear, 'good' is as much a matter of character and application as talent. Glenn Helder was talented.

[AFC East]

No. I said he was never as good as people made out. As I also made clear, 'good' is as much a matter of character and application as talent. Glenn Helder was talented.

Fair enough, but I'd say when fit for a spell he was every bit as good as people made out. Glenn Helder was not talented btw, at least not at football.

[Burney]

Fair enough, but I'd say when fit for a spell he was every bit as good as people made out. Glenn Helder was not talented btw, at least not at football.

I saw Glenn Helder's debut for us. He played like a god. Unfortunately, the rest of the time he played like a dog.

[Norn Iron]

I would much prefer if Jack stayed especially with our injury record.

Based on Saturday's lineup you would say that Cazorla is first choice and would be partnered with a more defensive minded player (Xhaka, Coquelin or Elneny). That leaves Jack and Ramsey to fight it out as the other CM. I can't imagine Cazorla playing every game and with Ramsey's injury record, I can see Jack getting plenty of minutes. Maybe Wenger has different ideas about the midfield combination though.

[TheCurly]

I would much prefer if Jack stayed especially with our injury record.

Based on Saturday's lineup you would say that Cazorla is first choice and would be partnered with a more defensive minded player (Xhaka, Coquelin or Elneny). That leaves Jack and Ramsey to fight it out as the other CM. I can't imagine Cazorla playing every game and with Ramsey's injury record, I can see Jack getting plenty of minutes. Maybe Wenger has different ideas about the midfield combination though.

He's obviously in the huff for being left out of the England squad

[AFC East]

I would much prefer if Jack stayed especially with our injury record..

Are you worried about the average days out going down without him?

[Norn Iron]

Are you worried about the average days out going down without him?

Being injury prone is the only thing holding him back. If fit he's as good as any of our central midfielders.
He's a perfect replacement for Santi imo. More so than Ramsey is. A fit JW is an asset to any team.

[devongunner]

That's you speaking as a fan. However, if I were running a record label and wanted results, I would kick an underperforming artist off my books. Similarly, as a club, Arsenal ought to rid themselves of an underperforming player.

Lets hope Walcott goes soon then

[Mo Britain less Europe]

I would much prefer if Jack stayed especially with our injury record.

Based on Saturday's lineup you would say that Cazorla is first choice and would be partnered with a more defensive minded player (Xhaka, Coquelin or Elneny). That leaves Jack and Ramsey to fight it out as the other CM. I can't imagine Cazorla playing every game and with Ramsey's injury record, I can see Jack getting plenty of minutes. Maybe Wenger has different ideas about the midfield combination though.

I can see Wenger playing two defensive midfield players in more games than we did last season.

[Brexit = Keine Pumpernickel]

He's obviously in the huff for being left out of the England squad

Did he deserve to be in the last one?