People calling for Obama to apologise to the Japanese for Hiroshima is further

[Burney]

evidence - if it were needed - that the world has gone utterly ****ing mental.

Lest we forget, Japan still hasn't accepted the full shame of its war guilt, let alone owned up to its disgusting behaviour in China.

The idea of any allied nation apologising to those ****ers is simply absurd.

[Sir C]

evidence - if it were needed - that the world has gone utterly ****ing mental.

Lest we forget, Japan still hasn't accepted the full shame of its war guilt, let alone owned up to its disgusting behaviour in China.

The idea of any allied nation apologising to those ****ers is simply absurd.

Who said dat den?

****ing eejits.

[Burney]

Who said dat den?

****ing eejits.

****ers, basically. Here's one of them:

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/daniel-philpott-obama-apologize-hiroshima-article-1.2651307

[Sir C]

****ers, basically. Here's one of them:

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/daniel-philpott-obama-apologize-hiroshima-article-1.2651307

Daft *******.

Him, not you.

[The Jorge]

evidence - if it were needed - that the world has gone utterly ****ing mental.

Lest we forget, Japan still hasn't accepted the full shame of its war guilt, let alone owned up to its disgusting behaviour in China.

The idea of any allied nation apologising to those ****ers is simply absurd.

So, if the Japansers did apologise for the rape of nanking and all the other admittedly pretty heinous stuff they did, would the US be right to apologise for Hiroshima, Nagasaki and the firebombing of Tokyo (which if anything was even more devastating than the nukilar bombs)?

[Burney]

So, if the Japansers did apologise for the rape of nanking and all the other admittedly pretty heinous stuff they did, would the US be right to apologise for Hiroshima, Nagasaki and the firebombing of Tokyo (which if anything was even more devastating than the nukilar bombs)?

Of course not. The fact that the Japanese haven't accepted their guilt merely serves to render calls for the USA to apologise even more absurd than they already are.

[The Jorge]

Of course not. The fact that the Japanese haven't accepted their guilt merely serves to render calls for the USA to apologise even more absurd than they already are.

Sorry, this isnt clear, should the Japanese apologise at all? Seems like everyone acted like ****s and could all do with saying "sorry, we were bang out of order" but I realise this is just me being a terrible lefty about the whole business.

[redgunamo]

Bush would be a different matter entirely, but Obama? Bof.. :shrug:


evidence - if it were needed - that the world has gone utterly ****ing mental.

Lest we forget, Japan still hasn't accepted the full shame of its war guilt, let alone owned up to its disgusting behaviour in China.

The idea of any allied nation apologising to those ****ers is simply absurd.

[redgunamo]

Sorry, this isnt clear, should the Japanese apologise at all? Seems like everyone acted like ****s and could all do with saying "sorry, we were bang out of order" but I realise this is just me being a terrible lefty about the whole business.

Would you demand, petition for, the Japs to say "sorry"?

[Sir C]

Everyone acted like ****s? They were all as bad as each other? Moral equivalence?

You're getting worse.

[Burney]

Sorry, this isnt clear, should the Japanese apologise at all? Seems like everyone acted like ****s and could all do with saying "sorry, we were bang out of order" but I realise this is just me being a terrible lefty about the whole business.

:sigh: Again with the moral equivalence. :rolleyes:

No, j. Because we were in the right and they were in the wrong. They were the aggressors and it was they, not us, who committed vast atrocities across South East Asia. So for us to say 'Why don't we all just apologise to each other' would suggest that we are all on a level moral playing field. And we're not. Not by a long ****ing chalk.

[The Jorge]

evidence - if it were needed - that the world has gone utterly ****ing mental.

Lest we forget, Japan still hasn't accepted the full shame of its war guilt, let alone owned up to its disgusting behaviour in China.

The idea of any allied nation apologising to those ****ers is simply absurd.

Right, so they should apologise and we shouldnt because we were right and they were wrong? I'm not really pushing moral equivalence here, I'm just trying to unpick your thinking.

[redgunamo]

Right, so they should apologise and we shouldnt because we were right and they were wrong? I'm not really pushing moral equivalence here, I'm just trying to unpick your thinking.

O, you mean a "British" apology. Right, carry on.

[Burney]

Right, so they should apologise and we shouldnt because we were right and they were wrong?

Well actually, no. I don't give a **** for apologies of this sort. They're childish, meaningless and generally a sign of historical illiteracy. I'm simply pointing out that suggesting the US apologise for Hiroshima is particularly absurd in the context of the Japanese not having accepted their full and rightful burden of war guilt.

[redgunamo]

Well actually, no. I don't give a **** for apologies of this sort. They're childish, meaningless and generally a sign of historical illiteracy. I'm simply pointing out that suggesting the US apologise for Hiroshima is particularly absurd in the context of the Japanese not having accepted their full and rightful burden of war guilt.

No, it would be the kind of thing where you say "It's my fault", but everyone should know you actually mean "It's *your* fault".

English phrase books for foreigners always include this peculiar clause.

[The Jorge]

Well actually, no. I don't give a **** for apologies of this sort. They're childish, meaningless and generally a sign of historical illiteracy. I'm simply pointing out that suggesting the US apologise for Hiroshima is particularly absurd in the context of the Japanese not having accepted their full and rightful burden of war guilt.

So why does whether the Japanese have apologised (or somehow "accept their full and rightful burden of war guilt") or not matter then?

[Burney]

So why does whether the Japanese have apologised (or somehow "accept their full and rightful burden of war guilt") or not matter then?

Because as things stand, their children since 1945 have not been taught anything about their country's shameful record in World War Two and are taught to regard their country as a victim rather than a perpetrator of WWII, which has seriously affected their international outlook - not least with regard to their relationship with China, which is currently threatening to kick off.

[The Jorge]

Because as things stand, their children since 1945 have not been taught anything about their country's shameful record in World War Two and are taught to regard their country as a victim rather than a perpetrator of WWII, which has seriously affected their international outlook - not least with regard to their relationship with China, which is currently threatening to kick off.

Whereas our school curriculums are rammed with the stuff we did wrong in our colonial and military past, isnt it?

You seem perfectly happy for us not to recognise anything wrong in our past whilst decrying them for not doing the same.