Brexit.. People over 40 want out

[7sisters]

While those under want in.. That seems to be what's happening here..

[Pat Vegas]

I'm fed up of all these decisions I am being asked to make recently.

Oh pick a mayor, decide if we should leave the EU or remain, Wenger in/Wenger out I am the last person to ask for this sort of thing.

I can't even decide what I will have for dinner most of the time.

[Luis Anaconda]

While those under want in.. That seems to be what's happening here..

Not all people over 40 want out. Jorge wants in

Most people I know of my age want in as well - I think you have set the barrier far too low there. (Though quite frankly it isn't the greatest generalisation anyway)

[The Jorge]

While those under want in.. That seems to be what's happening here..

Ironic, isnt it. Not content with having their entire lives handed to them on a plate the babyboomers now feel the need to further restrict the opportunities of the generations to come.

[Sir C]

While those under want in.. That seems to be what's happening here..

I'm not generally a fan of referenda, rather feeling that we elect people to make such decisions for us, and in this matter I feel unqualified to make a reasoned judgement.

The thing that stops me worrying about it is that, whatever happens, I will soon be dead and therefore unaffected.

[The Jorge]

I'm fed up of all these decisions I am being asked to make recently.

Oh pick a mayor, decide if we should leave the EU or remain, Wenger in/Wenger out I am the last person to ask for this sort of thing.

I can't even decide what I will have for dinner most of the time.

There's a song for just this situation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M1372Z1Ldg

[Ash]

I'm not generally a fan of referenda, rather feeling that we elect people to make such decisions for us, and in this matter I feel unqualified to make a reasoned judgement.


So you'd rather all these damned socialists in Westminster decided for you?

[The Jorge]

Not all people over 40 want out. Jorge wants in

Most people I know of my age want in as well - I think you have set the barrier far too low there. (Though quite frankly it isn't the greatest generalisation anyway)

30-****ing-8 I'll have you know

[Ash]

Ironic, isnt it. Not content with having their entire lives handed to them on a plate the babyboomers now feel the need to further restrict the opportunities of the generations to come.

So many things wrong with this spiteful litle rantette it's hard to know where to start.

[Luis Anaconda]

30-****ing-8 I'll have you know

:clap: Nicely reeled in

[Pat Vegas]

I agree with you Sir C.

Why are we having this referendum? was it just a electoral promise by the conservatives to snap up those Ukip types?

[Sir C]

So you'd rather all these damned socialists in Westminster decided for you?

Well, yes. I mean, I may not like what they decideon occasion, but we have this system and, in general, it works reasonably well.

[Pat Vegas]

I am catching you up!

I am not sure how that works but :Patlogic:

[The Jorge]

I'm not generally a fan of referenda, rather feeling that we elect people to make such decisions for us, and in this matter I feel unqualified to make a reasoned judgement.

The thing that stops me worrying about it is that, whatever happens, I will soon be dead and therefore unaffected.

I do see where you're coming from on this. There's no point keeping people stupid and then asking them to make important decisions.

[Sir C]

I agree with you Sir C.

Why are we having this referendum? was it just a electoral promise by the conservatives to snap up those Ukip types?

UKIP types and wavering conservative voters, as well as mollification for agitators within the party, I suspect.

[The Jorge]

So many things wrong with this spiteful litle rantette it's hard to know where to start.

Feel free to jump in anywhere, Ash

[Rich]

I'm not generally a fan of referenda, rather feeling that we elect people to make such decisions for us, and in this matter I feel unqualified to make a reasoned judgement.

The thing that stops me worrying about it is that, whatever happens, I will soon be dead and therefore unaffected.

:-( What a bleak outlook on life you have. With constantly improving heathcare and a healthy lifestyle, there's no reason that you can't bring up your century.

[Sir C]

:-( What a bleak outlook on life you have. With constantly improving heathcare and a healthy lifestyle, there's no reason that you can't bring up your century.

I suppose with a couple of new lungs and a replacement liver, I might make 60.

[Pat Vegas]

**** sake Rich always talking about Cricket :banghead:

[Luis Anaconda]

Ironic, isnt it. Not content with having their entire lives handed to them on a plate the babyboomers now feel the need to further restrict the opportunities of the generations to come.
Had been paying much attention to the polls but it seems Remain has a remarkably healthy lead. Now if Camden can just sort out my postal vote

[The Jorge]

:clap: Nicely reeled in

I'm nothing if not disappointingly predictable

[Sir C]

Ironic, isnt it. Not content with having their entire lives handed to them on a plate the babyboomers now feel the need to further restrict the opportunities of the generations to come.

Now listen up, old horse. Whilst we all appreciate that your brain cell has been terminally infected with the politics of envy and hatred (I think it is commonly known as 'socialism') you're taking things to extremes that even your greatest of heroes, chaps like Stalin and Mao, didn't approach.

You're now hating people for the size of their hands or the date of their birth. I mean, come on. Toffs, intellectuals, teachers, peasants, the bourgeoisie, counter-revolutionaries, all these people are customarily in the firing line and it is right and proper that you consistently conform to these traditions. But the small-digited? Those born in certain years? It's de trop, that's what it is.

[Pat Vegas]

Is there a 'Brexit Breakdown' for simpleton selfish types like myself.

in my circumstances

1) will there be room for my wife.
2) they say brexit will cause a house price crash. Does this mean I can actually afford to buy one? Or I may not have a job to afford anything.

[Sir C]

Is there a 'Brexit Breakdown' for simpleton selfish types like myself.

in my circumstances

1) will there be room for my wife.
2) they say brexit will cause a house price crash. Does this mean I can actually afford to buy one? Or I may not have a job to afford anything.

These are the questions that no one is answering; I suspect, because no one knows.

[The Jorge]

Now listen up, old horse. Whilst we all appreciate that your brain cell has been terminally infected with the politics of envy and hatred (I think it is commonly known as 'socialism') you're taking things to extremes that even your greatest of heroes, chaps like Stalin and Mao, didn't approach.

You're now hating people for the size of their hands or the date of their birth. I mean, come on. Toffs, intellectuals, teachers, peasants, the bourgeoisie, counter-revolutionaries, all these people are customarily in the firing line and it is right and proper that you consistently conform to these traditions. But the small-digited? Those born in certain years? It's de trop, that's what it is.

Come on, C. Switch it up a bit, we've heard the "politics of envy" struff and the Stalin stuff before.

[Luis Anaconda]

**** sake Rich always talking about Cricket :banghead:

Hang on that is his one redeemimg feature, p

[Burney]

Ironic, isnt it. Not content with having their entire lives handed to them on a plate the babyboomers now feel the need to further restrict the opportunities of the generations to come.

Eh? I'm over 40 and I'm not a baby boomer. My parents were baby boomers.

[Ash]

Eh? I'm over 40 and I'm not a baby boomer. My parents were baby boomers.

One of the many things wrong with that post. Another being the ageism, as has been pointed out. Also the 'handed on a plate' - many of that generation grew up with outside toilets, post-war austerity, very little access to higher education and mortgages. Certainly no smart phones and mac book pros.

[The Jorge]

One of the many things wrong with that post. Another being the ageism, as has been pointed out. Also the 'handed on a plate' - many of that generation grew up with outside toilets, post-war austerity, very little access to higher education and mortgages. Certainly no smart phones and mac book pros.

Yes and they also grew up with student grants, local authority housing, full employment, retirement at 60/5, final-salary pensions, jobs for life and affordable housing. So very much handed to them on a plate in comparison to subsequent generations.

[Luis Anaconda]

Yes and they also grew up with student grants, local authority housing, full employment, retirement at 60/5, final-salary pensions, jobs for life and affordable housing. So very much handed to them on a plate in comparison to subsequent generations.

Full employment?

[Sir C]

Yes and they also grew up with student grants, local authority housing, full employment, retirement at 60/5, final-salary pensions, jobs for life and affordable housing. So very much handed to them on a plate in comparison to subsequent generations.

Well some people had some of those things.

If you think live was generally more comfortable in the 60s and 70s ytou really are mistaken.

[The Jorge]

Full employment?

The idea of it, as opposed to the reality. Capitalism, on the other hand, requires a certain amount of unemployed/underemployed people in order to keep downward pressure on wages.

[The Jorge]

Well some people had some of those things.

If you think live was generally more comfortable in the 60s and 70s ytou really are mistaken.

Life was demonstrably better for people growing up then, sure. Just like life was better for people like me who grew up in the 80s and 90s than it is for people now.

[Ash]

Yes and they also grew up with student grants, local authority housing, full employment, retirement at 60/5, final-salary pensions, jobs for life and affordable housing. So very much handed to them on a plate in comparison to subsequent generations.

I don't think my dad had access to student grants. His family couldn't afford for him to go to university so he had to get a job. And he only had the chance because of his academic excellence, as there were very few university places in those days. Now so many get the chance for a full education that it isn't possible for the state to pay for them all.

No full employment for women back then, I think you'll find, for a start. Last year employment in the UK was at a record high of 73.5%, and you speak as if boom and bust wasn't a consistent feature of capitalism.

OTOH, retirement age and affordable housing are issues for later generations, yes. Again, though, today we pay a fraction of the prices they did back then for clothing and domestic appliances.

So, pros and cons, but to blame a generation for so many ills is no better than blaming immigrants. Seriously. No better at all.

[Sir C]

Life was demonstrably better for people growing up then, sure. Just like life was better for people like me who grew up in the 80s and 90s than it is for people now.

Well it's an opinion, and one to which you're perfectly entitled.

It's nonsense, mind.

[The Jorge]

I don't think my dad had access to student grants. His family couldn't afford for him to go to university so he had to get a job. And he only had the chance because of his academic excellence, as there were very few university places in those days. Now so many get the chance for a full education that it isn't possible for the state to pay for them all.

No full employment for women back then, I think you'll find, for a start. Last year employment in the UK was at a record high of 73.5%, and you speak as if boom and bust wasn't a consistent feature of capitalism.

OTOH, retirement age and affordable housing are issues for later generations, yes. Again, though, today we pay a fraction of the prices they did back then for clothing and domestic appliances.

So, pros and cons, but to blame a generation for so many ills is no better than blaming immigrants. Seriously. No better at all.

So your dad would have had less opportunity today than he did then? Sounds like he still had it better if you ask me.

On the point of women, yes. But then again they would have been able to afford to run a family on a single wage, which isnt an option today.

And yes, I'm blaming those generations for squandering all of those things, voting in successive governments which sold them off to fund their lucrative final-salary pensions and low retirement ages.

[Luis Anaconda]

Life was demonstrably better for people growing up then, sure. Just like life was better for people like me who grew up in the 80s and 90s than it is for people now.

So life was demonstrably better under Mrs Thatcher? Well done Mrs T - gin and tonics all round

[The Jorge]

Well it's an opinion, and one to which you're perfectly entitled.

It's nonsense, mind.

Well countered, I suppose I should be grateful you didnt say I was mates with Stalin or something.

[Sir C]

Well countered, I suppose I should be grateful you didnt say I was mates with Stalin or something.

:shrug: If the cap fits...

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[Burney]

So your dad would have had less opportunity today than he did then? Sounds like he still had it better if you ask me.

On the point of women, yes. But then again they would have been able to afford to run a family on a single wage, which isnt an option today.

And yes, I'm blaming those generations for squandering all of those things, voting in successive governments which sold them off to fund their lucrative final-salary pensions and low retirement ages.

But surely those final-salary pensions and low retirement ages were the proud achievements of the unions and socialism, j?? You know, after all those years when the boss class had the whip hand, finally the workers got theirs as well, sort of thing?

Only you seem to be saying that those were actually unaffordable and unrealistic luxuries.

[The Jorge]

But surely those final-salary pensions and low retirement ages were the proud achievements of the unions and socialism, j?? You know, after all those years when the boss class had the whip hand, finally the workers got theirs as well, sort of thing?

Only you seem to be saying that those were actually unaffordable and unrealistic luxuries.

No, I'm saying these people were given all of these things only to vote for nobody else to have them, chosing instead to sell everything back to the "boss class" at a knockdown price.

[Ash]

So your dad would have had less opportunity today than he did then? Sounds like he still had it better if you ask me.

No. Today he'd have the opportunity of getting a loan and paying it back over many years. Same as peope do with mortgages (which had much higher interest rates then if you coud get one at all. Most people wouldn't be able to get one). Basically, working class people have far greater educational opportunities now than then.


On the point of women, yes. But then again they would have been able to afford to run a family on a single wage, which isnt an option today.

That is about housing costs though, not full employment.


And yes, I'm blaming those generations for squandering all of those things, voting in successive governments which sold them off to fund their lucrative final-salary pensions and low retirement ages.

I can't reply to that because it doesn't parse, I'm afraid. Squandering what? Selling what?

You realise that loony rightists blame the same generation for taking too many drugs, being permissive, and satirising the safe old conservative establishment into oblivion?

[Burney]

No, I'm saying these people were given all of these things only to vote for nobody else to have them, chosing instead to sell everything back to the "boss class" at a knockdown price.

Well they actually voted the way they did because many of them felt that it had become clear that these things were unsustainable, which was rendering the British industrial model unable to compete, leading to us having to beg loans from the IMF. They voted for someone who was prepared to grasp that nettle and change things.