Last 10 years of arsenal

[o2be a gooner]

Ever since he CL final, it has been strange, weve done pretty much nothing, groundhog day every season, same promises and false hope, when will it end, next season liverpool, spurs, united, city, chelsea will be better, only going to get harder.

wenger has lost his edge, he isnt competitive, he doesnt seem bothered about losing, makes excuses , makes it sound fine 'we are not fighting relegation' , this goes down to the players. surely the elite players- ozil, sanchez will eventually want out.


Does wenger/the board change and actually invest the money in top players?
if not we will likely finish 6th next season

giroud needs to **** off asap btw, fed up of that 'face' when he ****s up the chances

[The Jorge]

So, essentially, what your saying here is "more passion and/or pride" and "spensamfakkingmunny"?

Also, two cups?

[Rich]

Ever since he CL final, it has been strange, weve done pretty much nothing, groundhog day every season, same promises and false hope, when will it end,
next season liverpool, spurs, united, city, chelsea will be better, only going to get harder.

wenger has lost his edge, he isnt competitive, he doesnt seem bothered about losing, makes excuses , makes it sound fine 'we are not fighting relegation' , this goes down to the players. surely the elite players- ozil, sanchez will eventually want out.


Does wenger/the board change and actually invest the money in top players?
if not we will likely finish 6th next season

giroud needs to **** off asap btw, fed up of that 'face' when he ****s up the chances

Equally, every year we hear that x y and z will be improved next season. Yet Wenger still keeps us 3rd/4th. We might even get 2nd this time. Not bad, eh?

[Sir C]

Ever since he CL final, it has been strange, weve done pretty much nothing, groundhog day every season, same promises and false hope, when will it end, next season liverpool, spurs, united, city, chelsea will be better, only going to get harder.

wenger has lost his edge, he isnt competitive, he doesnt seem bothered about losing, makes excuses , makes it sound fine 'we are not fighting relegation' , this goes down to the players. surely the elite players- ozil, sanchez will eventually want out.


Does wenger/the board change and actually invest the money in top players?
if not we will likely finish 6th next season

giroud needs to **** off asap btw, fed up of that 'face' when he ****s up the chances

Which striker would you sign to replace Giroud? I presume you would need to check the most important weapon in the striker's armoury, the face?

What sort of face do you find acceptable?

I'm fascinated by how the game has changed. The modern football fan is really getting to the heart of the matter.

[Pokster]

Equally, every year we hear that x y and z will be improved next season. Yet Wenger still keeps us 3rd/4th. We might even get 2nd this time. Not bad, eh?

So do you think that the performances this season have been acceptable? Do you feel we have moved forward at all?

[Rich]

Which striker would you sign to replace Giroud? I presume you would need to check the most important weapon in the striker's armoury, the face?

What sort of face do you find acceptable?

I'm fascinated by how the game has changed. The modern football fan is really getting to the heart of the matter.

If I may interject - Are you not a strong advocate of players with kind faces? I believe that you said that you could not support The Arsenal if Zlatan signed, because he does not have a kind face?

[Sir C]

If I may interject - Are you not a strong advocate of players with kind faces? I believe that you said that you could not support The Arsenal if Zlatan signed, because he does not have a kind face?

I have never said any such thing. I certainly favour a player with a kind face; I have never, ever suggested that such kindness or the lack of it affects footballing ability.

Anyway, he's not talking about kindness of visage, is he?

[The Jorge]

If I may interject - Are you not a strong advocate of players with kind faces? I believe that you said that you could not support The Arsenal if Zlatan signed, because he does not have a kind face?

Emile Heskey has an exceptionally kind face, like Lenny from Of Mice and Men.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/56218000/jpg/_56218472_heskeyoncoaching.jpg

[redgunamo]

Ever since he CL final, it has been strange, weve done pretty much nothing, groundhog day every season, same promises and false hope, when will it end, next season liverpool, spurs, united, city, chelsea will be better, only going to get harder.

wenger has lost his edge, he isnt competitive, he doesnt seem bothered about losing, makes excuses , makes it sound fine 'we are not fighting relegation' , this goes down to the players. surely the elite players- ozil, sanchez will eventually want out.


Does wenger/the board change and actually invest the money in top players?
if not we will likely finish 6th next season

giroud needs to **** off asap btw, fed up of that 'face' when he ****s up the chances

Nah, Wenger's fine. He still has His edge and His will to win.

What He hasn't got anymore though, since those days, is Bergkamp and Henry.

[The Jorge]

I didnt have you down as a Visage man, C.

Sure, he can do it in division one but can the boy Strange get us 20 goals a season in the top flight?

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/80978000/jpg/_80978186_80978103.jpg

[redgunamo]

Emile Heskey has an exceptionally kind face, like Lenny from Of Mice and Men.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/56218000/jpg/_56218472_heskeyoncoaching.jpg

Like a small, crafty, cowering, timid little beast, do you mean?

[Sir C]

I didnt have you down as a Visage man, C.

Sure, he can do it in division one but can the boy Strange get us 20 goals a season in the top flight?

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/80978000/jpg/_80978186_80978103.jpg

And people say the '80s were a musical wasteland...

Fade to Grey is a magnificent pop song.

[Brentwood]

:groundhogdayklaxon:

[The Jorge]

Like a small, crafty, cowering, timid little beast, do you mean?

No, that's George. Lenny dreams of "living off the fatta' the lan'" and being able to tend to rabbits. His love for soft things conspires against him, mostly because he does not know his own strength, and eventually becomes his undoing.

[The Jorge]

And people say the '80s were a musical wasteland...

Fade to Grey is a magnificent pop song.

Or a **** with a bontempi organ and some make up. I think what I'm saying is it's nu human league. http://www.thestylecon.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/tumblr_m44q2yR78h1qmz6jwo1_500.gif

[o2be a gooner]

and better quality players - yes

[The Jorge]

Arsenal swoop for Ned Ryerson!

[o2be a gooner]

yet clubs with less resources than ourselves, have better strikers than us - whose fault is that???

[Sir C]

Or a **** with a bontempi organ and some make up. I think what I'm saying is it's nu human league. http://www.thestylecon.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/tumblr_m44q2yR78h1qmz6jwo1_500.gif

I am surprised and not a little disappointed by your use of intemperate language there, j.

Do you realy want to hurt me?

[The Jorge]

Keep feling fasci-****ing-nation, C

[redgunamo]

No, that's George. Lenny dreams of "living off the fatta' the lan'" and being able to tend to rabbits. His love for soft things conspires against him, mostly because he does not know his own strength, and eventually becomes his undoing.

Yes, I know that, silly. But my Robert Burns reference wouldn't have worked then.

[7sisters]

Nah, Wenger's fine. He still has His edge and His will to win.

What He hasn't got anymore though, since those days, is Bergkamp and Henry.

His undoing was rarely in his teams ability to attack and provide entertaining football r.
He just never got to grips with the defensive side of the game.
Blessed in the early days with an inherited back 4 par excellence, and let's face it, Campbell's signature wasn't exactly an inspired piece of talent scouting. Since those halcyon days it's all been a bit trial and error.. mostly error tbh.

[redgunamo]

yet clubs with less resources than ourselves, have better strikers than us - whose fault is that???

Oh, it was never about money,, or "resources", as you say. That was always just a McGuffin, a mind game.

For our strikers, and indeed all our players, clearly the SFC is responsible. But *not*, mark you, to *blame*.

[Sir C]

His undoing was rarely in his teams ability to attack and provide entertaining football r.
He just never got to grips with the defensive side of the game.
Blessed in the early days with an inherited back 4 par excellence, and let's face it, Campbell's signature wasn't exactly an inspired piece of talent scouting. Since those halcyon days it's all been a bit trial and error.. mostly error tbh.

Yes, the team that went 49 undefeated with a back four of Lauren, Campbell, Toure and Cole. All inherited from George Graham.

Yes.

[redgunamo]

Yes, the team that went 49 undefeated with a back four of Lauren, Campbell, Toure and Cole. All inherited from George Graham.

Yes.

There are some similarities actually; both men arrived to find a very good back four and then successfully put together even better ones.

[The Jorge]

Like Ozil and Sanchez?

[7sisters]

I think most defences in the PL would have probably gone unbeaten in that season when you factor in the world class depth of talent playing infront of them.
Not to say credit where it's due. It was a good defense all the same but Campbell was undoubtedly the rock. Toure was prone to being a bit flakey at times but could rely on blistering pace to get him out of trouble.

[o2be a gooner]

why does he fail to see the glaringly obvious. even people like paul merson , to the intelligent ones like souness, have been saying for many years what is missing, but he doesnt want to change. its become boring, and stale. you can excuse is for 2-3 years, but seriously 10 years without a top striker ffs.
this is why im convinced he isnt as bothered about winning any more,

[o2be a gooner]

as if 2 is enough mate.
count how many are in other teams. our team is not balanced, and hasn't been for over a decade

[o2be a gooner]

'might even get second' , wow great achievement (!) and no we wont, we have won 5 out of the last 15 games since jan

[redgunamo]

why does he fail to see the glaringly obvious. even people like paul merson , to the intelligent ones like souness, have been saying for many years what is missing, but he doesnt want to change. its become boring, and stale. you can excuse is for 2-3 years, but seriously 10 years without a top striker ffs.
this is why im convinced he isnt as bothered about winning any more,

He's tried loads of 'em during that time, all of whom you could have made a good, confident case for. It just hasn't worked out as well as we'd like.

That's football :shrug:

[o2be a gooner]

yes, hes tried to get loads on the cheap, and not surpirisingly, theyve turned out badly...

[The Jorge]

Sorry, you said better quality players, not more players of a better quality.

The thing is, you wouldve been the first to lose your **** if we signed Kante or Mahrez and wouldve written them off as yet another Chamakh ans Squillachi, no hopers from the depths of the french league.

Fwiw, I agree there's a lack of balance but I think we owe it to Arsene to see this all through. He's not just won us two doubles, built the Invincibles he's almost single handedly made us a massive new stadium and a training ground and kept our head above water. We owe him this, and with all the kvetching, griping and banner waving we've just made ourselves look like the emotionally illiterate, intellectually stunted man-children every fan of other clubs mock us for.

[redgunamo]

yes, hes tried to get loads on the cheap, and not surpirisingly, theyve turned out badly...

Understandable though; He's always done decent work that way, so of course He has a right to back Himself, His own judgement.

It's one of the key reasons we like Him so much, in fact.

[Sir C]

'might even get second' , wow great achievement (!) and no we wont, we have won 5 out of the last 15 games since jan

You don't think coming second in the league is a great achievement? You're satisfied only with absolute success?

I take it you're a multi-millionaire business tycoon then?

[o2be a gooner]

no, but Arsenal charging the highest ticket prices in the world, the owner taking money out of the club whilst not really investing, lying to fans constantly how 'we will compete now', poor results/same old same old (actually you could argue we are getting further away from the top) - and one second place finish in 10 years if it happens (which is probalby wont) - isnt good enough

[redgunamo]

You don't think coming second in the league is a great achievement? You're satisfied only with absolute success?

I take it you're a multi-millionaire business tycoon then?

I *am* a multi-millionaire business tycoon actually. Yes, and judging further by the cost of my daughters' telephone bills, I also own my own oilfield and run a vertically integrated narcotics and weapons smuggling operation on the side

:-|

[Sir C]

no, but Arsenal charging the highest ticket prices in the world, the owner taking money out of the club whilst not really investing, lying to fans constantly how 'we will compete now', poor results/same old same old (actually you could argue we are getting further away from the top) - and one second place finish in 10 years if it happens (which is probalby wont) - isnt good enough

You'd have an interesting argument there if it wasn't all *******s.

[Ears are alight]

Would you prefer two girls one cup?

[o2be a gooner]

i just dont get why is is so stubborn, he says he questions himself every day, really? if so why cant he seem to damn obvious that has been missing from out team. NO leaders- when asked who the leaders are after the chelsea defeat at home this season, he said 'everyone'. ffs.

another thing i think is that he doesnt get the best out of players anymore - the number of players' forms who have dipped this season has been shocking, whats happening to sanchez, ramsey etc

[o2be a gooner]

honestly - its all true. the only debatable thing is the kronke taking money out, but the rest is FACT as rafa would say.

[The Jorge]

That's always been his approach. I do think you need to be a bit circumspect here, surely you realise "leaders" is just another abstract term thrown out there by the same people constantly banging on about 'passion' and 'pride'.

Sanchez's dip can be attributed to the sheer amount of football he played, the Copa America last summer didnt help. As for Ramsey, the injuries this season have far from helped.

I get what youre saying but come on, some more critical analysis would be nice.

[Ash]

I run a vertically integrated narcotics and weapons smuggling operation on the side

:-|

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[redgunamo]

https://www.tridentmilitary.com/New-Photos7/uck2.jpg

Campaign slogan: Freedom fighting isn't actually free!

[Ash]

but Arsenal charging the highest ticket prices in the world

Except that for equivalent seats, and taking into account the number of games we get on our ST, our prices are roughly that same as Spurs and Chelsea - in other words the going rate for the Capital.

I agree with you about having a decent striker though. We'd have won the league easily with Harry Kane up front imo, and while such quality is hard to come by, it suggests to me that this team of Wenger's isn't quite a bad all round as it sometimes seems. Erzl has created about 157 chances this season. Better finishing and we wouldn't be worried about defensive errors or midfield stagnation.

[redgunamo]

Except that for equivalent seats, and taking into account the number of games we get on our ST, our prices are roughly that same as Spurs and Chelsea - in other words the going rate for the Capital.

I agree with you about having a decent striker though. We'd have won the league easily with Harry Kane up front imo, and while such quality is hard to come by, it suggests to me that this team of Wenger's isn't quite a bad all round as it sometimes seems. Erzl has created about 157 chances this season. Better finishing and we wouldn't be worried about defensive errors or midfield stagnation.

I actually think it's the other way around; if we had better finishing, he wouldn't need to create so many chances.

Because I'm not a football coach, I would always build a team from the front. to the back. No-one particularly cares who plays behind the MSN, for instance.

Coaches could never make a living that way though, so they always tell you you must get the defence right first.

[The Jorge]

Hang on, Kroenke taking money out IS a fact, it's just he's taken 1m out for every year he has owned us, which is absolutely nothing.

[Burney]

Hang on, Kroenke taking money out IS a fact, it's just he's taken 1m out for every year he has owned us, which is absolutely nothing.

I am somewhat bemused by the idea that there is something wrong with a man who buys a business quite legally taking money for himself out of that business.

Isn't that sort of what businesses are for? :shrug:

[Sir C]

I am somewhat bemused by the idea that there is something wrong with a man who buys a business quite legally taking money for himself out of that business.

Isn't that sort of what businesses are for? :shrug:

Apparently one of the changes they are demanding is that 'Kroenke must go'. How are they going to achieve that, then? Buy him out?

[Burney]

Apparently one of the changes they are demanding is that 'Kroenke must go'. How are they going to achieve that, then? Buy him out?

Well quite. What irritates me is that more time isn't spent outlining just how monumentally thick these people are. They deserve nothing but contempt and ridicule, but instead are treated as though they are some sort of embodiment of 'long-suffering fans'.

[Sir C]

Well quite. What irritates me is that more time isn't spent outlining just how monumentally thick these people are. They deserve nothing but contempt and ridicule, but instead are treated as though they are some sort of embodiment of 'long-suffering fans'.

Before long they'll be classified as 'survivors', like someone whose uncle once touched their knee.

Victim culture, you see. 70 years of socialism.

[Ash]

I am somewhat bemused by the idea that there is something wrong with a man who buys a business quite legally taking money for himself out of that business.

Isn't that sort of what businesses are for? :shrug:

Is there any point at which you might not cheer the man on for taking money out? Presumably if he pulled a Glazer you'd still have no problem with it. If he could asset-strip the club to death and still make himself a profit would that also be ok?

Do I have to do the entire schpeel about how football isn't the same as other business and not subject to all the same market mechanisms ... again?

[Ash]

I actually think it's the other way around; if we had better finishing, he wouldn't need to create so many chances.


We'll never keep him. He's such a beautiful player. :cry:

[IUFG]

"sack the board" innit.

hmmmmm, WHO is actually going to do this 'sacking' I wonder ?

[The Jorge]

I am somewhat bemused by the idea that there is something wrong with a man who buys a business quite legally taking money for himself out of that business.

Isn't that sort of what businesses are for? :shrug:

We he's legally entitled to take whatever dividends he wants, he hasnt.

He has charged two lots of Consultancy Services against the club for 3m a piece in the last two years, which are pretty valid after a cursory glance at their justifications at the last couple of AGMs.

Place this against something like the Glazers who take around £36m a year from united for 'services rendered' on top of loading the club with leveraged debt - on which servicing the intrest costs tens of millions a year - plus a consultancy fee for each and every financial restructuring.

Love or hate the Wiggy Walmart Heir you have to admit it's small beans. The main issue people have is that he isnt backed by a massive sovereign wealth fund and isnt pouring it into the club. I think Roman even charges his 'investment' back as loans. There's no such thing as a free lunch.

[Sir C]

Is there any point at which you might not cheer the man on for taking money out? Presumably if he pulled a Glazer you'd still have no problem with it. If he could asset-strip the club to death and still make himself a profit would that also be ok?

Do I have to do the entire schpeel about how football isn't the same as other business and not subject to all the same market mechanisms ... again?

Hold on, hold on, just because you wish that football 'isn't the same as other business' doesn't make it true. He owns the majority of the shares, making him, in effect, the owner, and in accordance with the laws governing any business, football included, he can do what he wants with it. :shrug:

[The Jorge]

Is there any point at which you might not cheer the man on for taking money out? Presumably if he pulled a Glazer you'd still have no problem with it. If he could asset-strip the club to death and still make himself a profit would that also be ok?

Do I have to do the entire schpeel about how football isn't the same as other business and not subject to all the same market mechanisms ... again?

The pragmatism of my view on this surprises some people, I know, but seriously all things are relative, no? Relatively speaking we're very well placed for an absentee foreign owner.

Stan's game is extracting the value out of his investment upon sale, it's a different model from an asset stripper.

[The Jorge]

Yes, it's a spectacular misunderstanding of corproate governance

[Burney]

Do I have to do the entire schpeel about how football isn't the same as other business and not subject to all the same market mechanisms ... again?

Tell that to Uncle Stan's accountant. Businessmen spend money in the hope of making money. Should the purchase of a football club be a charitable venture?

And actually, given our turnover, what he has taken out of the business is peanuts.

[barrybueno]

He's got terrible hiccups imo

[Ash]

Hold on, hold on, just because you wish that football 'isn't the same as other business' doesn't make it true. He owns the majority of the shares, making him, in effect, the owner, and in accordance with the laws governing any business, football included, he can do what he wants with it. :shrug:

We don't switch teams like we switch other products, and staff in other businesses are not subject to weird feudal-style ownership arrangements. These are two ways in which football are not, as I said subject to 'subject to all the same market mechanisms'. This is nothing to do with what I wish. These are facts.

I'm not questing Stan's legal rights to his goods and chattels, and his entitlement to do with them as he pleases. Just saying that we don't have to like it.

[Ash]

Tell that to Uncle Stan's accountant. Businessmen spend money in the hope of making money. Should the purchase of a football club be a charitable venture?

And actually, given our turnover, what he has taken out of the business is peanuts.

Is there any point at which you might not cheer the man on for taking money out? Presumably if he pulled a Glazer you'd still have no problem with it. If he could asset-strip the club to death and still make himself a profit would that also be ok?

[SWv2]

Can I ask what it is that he is doing that ‘we’ don’t like?

[Ash]

Can I ask what it is that he is doing that ‘we’ don’t like?

In your case, not sacking Wenger. ;-) Elsewhere, I'm talking Glazerish hypotheticals.

[Burney]

Is there any point at which you might not cheer the man on for taking money out? Presumably if he pulled a Glazer you'd still have no problem with it. If he could asset-strip the club to death and still make himself a profit would that also be ok?

I neither cheer him nor boo him. He's simply doing what he is entitled to. And he's not 'taking money out', he's paying himself for his investment.

And anyway, OK with whom? With you? With me? With the shareholders? With the law? What the **** do we imagine we have to do with it?

[The Jorge]

No, he's actually paying himself for services rendered, he's not just topslicing cash, he's linked us to all sorts of US sports club networks which are helping us explore new commercial models. It's not a dividend.

[SWv2]

In your case, not sacking Wenger. ;-) Elsewhere, I'm talking Glazerish hypotheticals.

For the record I don’t want Wenger sacked, but equally I do not want to hear this summer that he has had his contract renewed for another 3 years.

Sacked? He does not deserve to be sacked. He has brought a period of relative success to the club, allowing for all people’s definitions of that term. I am in no personal doubt all the same that his legacy is currently tarnished.

His players have let him down, he chooses the players, he sanctions their signings, their new deals, their place in the overall ahead of others. His actions, or specifically his in-actions, last summer bordered on gross negligence for a manager of a very top level football club.

I think we should have won the league this season, though I am sure supporters of various other sides feel the same. In this sense I feel he has failed in his job. Despite not winning the title in over a decade not many times before would I have accused him of failure.

I find us very boring at the moment, extremely difficult to watch in play and depressingly predictable in how things pan out. Football should be exciting.

If an outstanding candidate was available this summer and his appointment required Wenger to stand aside, then assuming agreement from all parties I would applaud that.

I accept that this change may be difficult and who knows what will follow, we may dream of the type of so-called success that AW has brought. That’s a risk. Life indeed is a risk. None of it will change my support for the club.

In summary, Wenger out.

[The Jorge]

"Football should be exciting"?

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[Ash]

I neither cheer him nor boo him. He's simply doing what he is entitled to. And he's not 'taking money out', he's paying himself for his investment.

And anyway, OK with whom? With you? With me? With the shareholders? With the law? What the **** do we imagine we have to do with it?

With you. What would you think (beyond saying that he is legally entitled to do as he pleases) if he did a Glazer?

And yes indeed, what the **** do a club's supporters have to do with the club? :hehe:

[Ash]

No, he's actually paying himself for services rendered, he's not just topslicing cash, he's linked us to all sorts of US sports club networks which are helping us explore new commercial models. It's not a dividend.


Which services?

[The Jorge]

The "he's linked us to all sorts of US sports club networks which are helping us explore new commercial models" bit.

I'm not defending it, I remain a skeptic of the septic, but they've been quizzed at the AGM over it and it does sound valid that KSE did that. Of course, tooling up our lacklustre commercial department will serve Stan in the long run but, to quote Welsh trubadour Tom Jones, everyone's a winner, baby-ah.

[Ash]

"he's linked us to all sorts of US sports club networks which are helping us explore new commercial models"

Forgive me but that sounds a little bit bull**** bingo to me. Are we running these new commercial model networks up the flagpole to see how they fly?

[SWv2]

To completely dismiss GG as boring is a massive generalisation and a massive error, also not a statement I would expect to hear or read from a real student of our club.

[The Jorge]

I know, right! I mean it's almost as if he wants us to believe he owns profitable US sports franchises, right?!

My original point was that, even if it is bull****, it's not exactly like he's asset stripping, it's the ticket revenues from one home game.

[TheCurly]

To completely dismiss GG as boring is a massive generalisation and a massive error, also not a statement I would expect to hear or read from a real student of our club.

Indeed.Amazing how many people forget we won the 89 title with a scored most goals figure

[redgunamo]

I know, right! I mean it's almost as if he wants us to believe he owns profitable US sports franchises, right?!

My original point was that, even if it is bull****, it's not exactly like he's asset stripping, it's the ticket revenues from one home game.

One home game full of our **** fans though.

[The Jorge]

To completely dismiss GG as boring is a massive generalisation and a massive error, also not a statement I would expect to hear or read from a real student of our club.

As if I'd do that, I still consider the man my footballing Dad, I learned almost everything I know about the game watching his team and he gave me the happiest moment of my (I'm contractually obliged to insert arsenal) life.

I quite like "boring" football though, I've always loved a bit of Serie A and remain partial to the continental posession game. GG's teams werent boring, especially the 91/92 team who scored 92 goals that season. I was playing with a common trope and you, of all people, I would expect to know that.

[The Jorge]

You can still bank **** fans' money, reg.

[redgunamo]

To completely dismiss GG as boring is a massive generalisation and a massive error, also not a statement I would expect to hear or read from a real student of our club.

The love for Wenger brooks no competition nor takes any prisoners, I'm afraid. That's actually the saddest part of the thing, for me.

[redgunamo]

You can still bank **** fans' money, reg.

They can't be that **** then, can they.

What are we now, up to third highest gate monies in Europe? Well ****.

[The Jorge]

They can't be that **** then, can they.

What are we now, up to third highest gate monies in Europe? Well ****.

Highest I think, you called them ****, not me.

[Ash]

My original point was that, even if it is bull****, it's not exactly like he's asset stripping, it's the ticket revenues from one home game.

It's nearly 60% of the salary of a 100kpw player. While we can consider ourselves fortunate that it's not 30m a year it isn't peanuts. He is making money on his investment as the share price rises, and whether he cashes in his chips or uses that value in some other way he is already getting a good return.

[TheCurly]

It's nearly 60% of the salary of a 100kpw player. While we can consider ourselves fortunate that it's not 30m a year it isn't peanuts. He is making money on his investment as the share price rises, and whether he cashes in his chips or uses that value in some other way he is already getting a good return.

We could always use the Abramovich model here,A.
You know,murder him,take all his property and tell his family to **** off.Worth a go imo

[The Jorge]

It's nearly 60% of the salary of a 100kpw player. While we can consider ourselves fortunate that it's not 30m a year it isn't peanuts. He is making money on his investment as the share price rises, and whether he cashes in his chips or uses that value in some other way he is already getting a good return.

My honest opinion is that it's for some marked-up consultancy work, they did give some examples around commercial networks and data analytics at the time, but to suggest he's a bad owner for taking a fundamentally quite modest fee from the club is a bit of a stretch. Also, he doesnt pick the team, impose signings on the manager or have a constant hotline to the press briefing against other people in the club.

Honestly, as far as absentee foreign owners go, we could be a lot worse off. Most people would be hard pushed to name a better alternative, Joe Lewis? Venky's? The Indian bloke with the massive tache that bought Fulham but not the massive nonce statue?

[redgunamo]

Highest I think, you called them ****, not me.

So, you agree with me then, our supporters deserve alot of credit for their .. support?

[redgunamo]

We could always use the Abramovich model here,A.
You know,murder him,take all his property and tell his family to **** off.Worth a go imo

It's complicated. We don't like *anybody* who can actually afford our club; not the supporters, not Roman, Not Kroenke, not even those nice A-rabs at Manchester City. Even taxpayers are too thick because they bought West Ham United their new stadium for them

:-(

[The Jorge]

So, you agree with me then, our supporters deserve alot of credit for their .. support?

No, or at least not if they're organising protests about really, really nebulous things.

The laws of supply and demand deserve more credit imo

[redgunamo]

My honest opinion is that it's for some marked-up consultancy work, they did give some examples around commercial networks and data analytics at the time, but to suggest he's a bad owner for taking a fundamentally quite modest fee from the club is a bit of a stretch. Also, he doesnt pick the team, impose signings on the manager or have a constant hotline to the press briefing against other people in the club.

Honestly, as far as absentee foreign owners go, we could be a lot worse off. Most people would be hard pushed to name a better alternative, Joe Lewis? Venky's? The Indian bloke with the massive tache that bought Fulham but not the massive nonce statue?

A Berlusconi would be alright. I agree with you about ESK though.

[redgunamo]

No, or at least not if they're organising protests about really, really nebulous things.

The laws of supply and demand deserve more credit imo

This is just what fans *do* though, isn't it. All sorts of stuff. You know, like in Italy or Germany.

[The Jorge]

A Berlusconi would be alright. I agree with you about ESK though.

It'd all hinge on whether he'd invite me to a Bunga Bunga party

[The Jorge]

This is just what fans *do* though, isn't it. All sorts of stuff. You know, like in Italy or Germany.

If they actually supported the team I could understand, they arent exactly ultras

[redgunamo]

If they actually supported the team I could understand, they arent exactly ultras

So you could banter them off for not actually watching the games?

You can't have it both ways; we have been encouraged to pay attention, to try to understand the football, have we not?

And have you forgotten about those gate receipts already?

[Ash]

If they actually supported the team I could understand, they arent exactly ultras

But there are people who do actually support the team, despite the constant sneering of people who aren't there. In fact, some of those who make the most noise about how unhappy they at times are also some of those who are also offering the best support at other times. Most home support at most grounds is pretty quiet, anyway. There wasn't a peep out of the Sunderland fans last sunday until their pelanty shout, despite them being bigged up as being great supporters by the commenators beforehand.

We could have 55,000 in there like Rich, who basically back the manager and the owner, but would never open their mouths to sing because they think its a ridiculous thing to do. You'd still be bantering them off even if they never booed or moaned to Arsenal TV about the manager. In fact many in my block are a bit like that. The most complaints I hear are from a bloke who gives a bit of support too.

[The Jorge]

despite the constant sneering of people who aren't there.

Oooooh you bitch!

That said, I'll take an away game over a visit to the Emirates every time. I'd be happy not to go back to that depressing ****hole ever again. I just want Burnleh, Blackboooourn, Leeds and Bradford back in the premier league so I can make it to more games.

[Ash]

I'd be happy not to go back to that depressing ****hole ever again. I just want Burnleh, Blackboooourn, Leeds and Bradford back in the premier league so I can make it to more games.

That depressing ****hole that you were praising Arsene for building for us earlier?

Thanks for your magnificent support.

[The Jorge]

That depressing ****hole that you were praising Arsene for building for us earlier?

Thanks for your magnificent support.

Yeah, like you'd drive 150 miles to make an away game.

[redgunamo]

That depressing ****hole that you were praising Arsene for building for us earlier?

Thanks for your magnificent support.

:hehe: George says he loves Wenger, yet also appears to despise everything Him and His club stand for, all that He has created.

You can understand the confusion.

[Ash]

Yeah, like you'd drive 150 miles to make an away game.

You misunderstand. I'm not asking you to travel to home games. Just stop slagging this aspect of the club off, is all I'm saying.

[The Jorge]

I think you are also misunderstanding my friend :driving:

I'm saying the muggybanner****s arent exactly ultras, they arent setting the standards for loud and voluble support or wonderful tifos.

The home fans are the home fans, same as they were at highbury, though the club made a huge error in dispersing NB/CE fans amongst the sssssssshhhhhhiiiiidaaaaahn types.

[Sir C]

You misunderstand. I'm not asking you to travel to home games. Just stop slagging this aspect of the club off, is all I'm saying.

He loves to slag things off. He thinks it makes him look all edgy and alternative.

Earlier today he used the word 'pigs' for the police. You know, like you used to when you were 15 and trying to look hard in front of your mates.

Bless.

[ArseMart - Enjoy every sandwich]

Sack the ****ing manager and bring back George. Look at him in that blazer. Lovely

[The Jorge]

He loves to slag things off. He thinks it makes him look all edgy and alternative.

Earlier today he used the word 'pigs' for the police. You know, like you used to when you were 15 and trying to look hard in front of your mates.

Bless.

:rolleyes: Yes, I did it to look "edgy". It wasnt for any sort of rhetorical effect alongside the spanish equivalent or anything.

If you must know, I prefer the term "filth"

[redgunamo]

Sack the ****ing manager and bring back George. Look at him in that blazer. Lovely

He *does* look terrific there, doesn't he.

[The Jorge]

He *does* look terrific there, doesn't he.

:nod: immaculate

[Ash]

Sack the ****ing manager and bring back George. Look at him in that blazer. Lovely

Happy Birthday!