Of course the more interesting thing is just what an absolute f**king disaster this Remain leaflet

[Berni]

business has become. :hehe:

What the f**k werethey thinking? They've managed to lose more votes with it than they'll gain, have put half the Tory party in open revolt and threatening to close down the business of government and have made themselves look desperate and clumsy. It's almost unbelievable that they wouldn't have seen this coming.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

After all, it's 3 months until the vote; reactions this early don't really matter.

[Berni]

the issue is that there is an air of negative publicity attending the Remain campaign that is only going to build as the vote gets closer. The 'Leave' camp is sensibly keeping pretty schtum at the moment and simply capitalising on the mistakes of the other lot.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

and I can't see who is going to do that, or how.

No sentient adult could possibly vote 'Leave' without an explanation of the UK government's reaction to such an outcome. Leave the EU and become a member of EFTA? What difference, in such a case, to our financial commitments to the EU? What impact upon free movement of goods and people? Perhaps we would Leave and not join EFTA? Would that mean tarrifs being imposed in British goods? Is there another trade association we could join? Would ASEAN have us?

There are a million questions and no one appears to be asking them, never mind answering them, and without answers to those questions, how on earth can anyone decide to vote one way or the other?

[redgunamo]

you have rest of history to work out the small stuff, the details.

[Snin]

then all the dumb f**ks will check it in the mail and sun and go and vote without a*******ing clue what they voting for..god i hate democracy with a passion.. why the f**k should the average prole have any right to decide on something they dont understand is beyond me

[Berni]

and all the rest of it will come out in the wash. The Leave campaign simply has to make the case against membership of the EU. That's it.

All the options you outline are possible - and none of them. Asking the Leave campaign to outline exactly what will happen in the event of a vote to leave is absurd as we simply can't be certain. To say we can't leave the EU because we haven't a precise roadmap of exactly what will happen is simply a craven excuse for doing nothing about a profoundly unsatisfactory and undemocratic institution to which we are currently shackled.

[Berni]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

before you've made a plan to replace it.

Which seems a little odd.

[Ashberto]

[Luis Anaconda]

Adolf was very fond of democracy - right up to the point it handed him power

[Ashberto]

Once you start trying to define all the details, where does it end?

And not so much tearing the roof off as divesting oneself of a tiresome girlfriend prior to lining up the next one.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

and they were given information about how oil revenue would support their economy ( :hehe: )

So they had some facts ( :hehe: ) upon which to make a decision. We're being given f**k all.

[Berni]

All we can know is whether or not we are happy with the facts as they obtain now. And personally, I am not. So I will vote to change them.

[Ashberto]

Like 400 years of stuff to disentangle.

[2 Strikers?]

if they are told we no longer want to play with the other 26 odd boys and girls and keep giving them our pocket money they will have to find us another sand pit.

Also the whole 'leave' scenario isn't an overnight thing, they aren't going to bundle up your belongings and throw them onto the kerbside like some cheated on spouse.

Plenty of time to get **** sorted and find the kiddies another mummy or daddy

[2 Strikers?]

shag fest in which we get into bed with anyone willing to take it up the arse...
very freemarket thinking and with our new found voice back on the top table of the WTO the skiy's the limit

[Berni]

ever have happened if everyone had always thought like that. Human progress would have amounted to f**k all.

The correct answer to the question 'What'll happen?' is 'Dunno. f**k it, let's find out shall we?'

[Classic Jorge]

Now, if we can just further erode civil and labour rights enough we should be able to get everybody's hourly rate down to the level where we can begin making decent profits off of them.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

to like? Righto.

[2 Strikers?]

I actually get your sarcasm, what I don't get is why a socialist would be too frightened to try to break away from the rampant right wing blossoming occurring across europe

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Most helpful.

[Berni]

[2 Strikers?]

spend the money sensibly on renewables

[Classic Jorge]

This is the sort of thing that benefits the many, it's also worth noting that most of the human rights act was the work of british lawyers in the first place.

[Classic Jorge]

[2 Strikers?]

as a nation we can do so much better unshackled from the european fascists

[Berni]

representative to have a say on whether or not it should be imposed on me. That, it would seem to me, is a basic requirement in a democracy.

[Classic Jorge]

Surely you're man enough to say "f**k it, lets see what happens" on that too.

[Ashberto]

which, amongst other things, could lead to irreversible privatisation of parts of the NHS.

[Berni]

And the polls suggest that most people in this country are as well.

[Classic Jorge]

Europe, for all its flaws, provides our best hope of a buffer against the self-serving, rampant capitalism in this country.

I wouldnt mind if that capitalism did what it claims to say on the tin and made us all richer but the pisspoor, moribund economic performance of the country over the last six years doesnt back it up.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

You told us you're leaving.

[2 Strikers?]

seems the only ones to get upset are of American persuasion and in the military.

Can't remember a single time it's been of any use in any conflict we've been involved in.

[Classic Jorge]

But one look at the main funders of the leave campaigns will tell you that they're if anything even more bent on selling off our shared assets.

[Berni]

You know? Despite it having been specifically designed to stop anyone doing that? :hehe:

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

Do you honestly think any 'British Bill of Rights' will enshrine basic, decent rights anything like as well as what's gone before?

[Classic Jorge]

Typical ad-hom tory nonsense.

Dont you have some tax you should be avoise?

[Brentwood]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

I didn't abuse you at all. We have spoken about your distaste for my country and your constant, rude disparagement of same; you suggested that you are, indeed, planning to leave it.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

[Ashberto]

Oh, you don't like voters, though. You prefer unelected bureaucrats because at the moment, you percieve them to be closer to your opinions. But what if the unelected elite were not to your liking? What could you do about it? Nothing.

It looks to me like you are brushing TTIP under the carpet, while backing a system where you can do *nothing* about it.

[Brentwood]

would surely complain about 6500jobs being lost in poor Scottish towns

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

[Luis Anaconda]

You'll confuse the yanks

[Ashberto]

Civil rights are about equality. Human rights just encourage whiny identity politics and privilege.

And again you assume that only the patriarchs can grant us these.

[Ashberto]

That looked a non-sequitur.

[Brentwood]

Trident will cost 178bn over the next ten years

[Classic Jorge]

I'm not saying it's an either or but it's a bit of an apples/oranges comparison

[Brentwood]

side benefit

If the govt bailed out Tata, they would be expected to bail out every single loss making company, in all industries, just to save jobs. So it wouldn't just be a temporary measure

[Classic Jorge]

It should at least be considered on a case by case value basis though

[Classic Jorge]

lord knows I'm no nukilar physicist but it might make more sense to at least buiild a reactor that has been built before, rather than a madey uppy one nobody knows will work or not.

[Brentwood]

all they do is remove shells from seafood by hand. The company plans to send the seafood to china by boat for low paid staff to shell them, then return them by boat to Norway for them to be packaged and sold here

Actually, just saw that we do it in the UK too:

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/11qzt8/til_t hat_shrimpprawns_caught_off_the_coast_of/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/11qzt8/til_that_shrimpprawns_caught_off_the_coast_of/)

That would be devastating to the town in question. I think governments should be better at evaluating the risk of things like that happening (i.e such a high dependency on one company or industry) and try to help in clever ways. For example, locating DVLA in Swansea. They should offer incentives to companies to set up shop in these deprived areas. It would mean offering tax breaks to companies though, which isn't always popular with people

[Classic Jorge]

I completely agree, btw. There's so little sense in the economic strategy, it's unreal.

The government, whether they believe in the idea or not, has levers they can employ to mitigate against this sort of thing and they just arent doing it. The only reason they would/could not do this is a sort of doctrinal zeal, nothing else explains the level of foot shooting here.

They even closed the head office of the Northern Powerhouse in Sheffield and relocated everyone to London. :hehe:

Edit:
Also, your point about Wales is valid. The same happened up in Redcar recently and they've received less than f**k all support.