So it looks as though they had f**k all on Cameron after all. I take it Jorge will be issuing an

[Berni]

apology for smearing his good name?

[Classic Jorge]

The man is polling worse than the terminally unelectable communist at the moment.

[Berni]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

http://stv.tv/news/politics/1349075-the-camerons-could-not-h ave-avoided-income-tax-through-blairmore/ (http://stv.tv/news/politics/1349075-the-camerons-could-not-have-avoided-income-tax-through-blairmore/)

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

A non-populist campaign that is being seriously badly articulated and managed at the moment.

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

The only place brexit seems genuinely populist is the god's waiting room, blue rinse ranks of the tory party. And their provisonal wing, UKIP.

Also, it's worth pointing out how genuinely pisspoor the Leave arguments have actually been. You can understand Status Quo options campaigning on fear but the leave campaign has been trotting out those lines too, without any sort of vision of what a UK out of the EU would actually look like.

One day it's like Canada, the next day Norway and the day after that it's Switzerland.

I have to say, with our 'no questions as long as you're rich enough' regime it's looking like Switz is the best comparison so far.

[Luis Anaconda]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3523836/Remain-campa ign-opens-seven-point-gap-EU-referendum-poll.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3523836/Remain-campaign-opens-seven-point-gap-EU-referendum-poll.html)

I guess a remain win depends on the youngsters getting off their arses and voting. It was quite funny seeing my 13-year-old niece lecture my Daily Express reading mother on why voting out was wrecking the future of younger generations

[Classic Jorge]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/04/05/11/32DC614200000578-3523836-image-a-33_1459851006051.jpg

It's strange that old people are allowed to vote, when you think about it. Really they should gracefully bow out after retirement, they've had their time to influence the future (and look how great that's turned out) so they should be thanked for their time and sat by the staring window with some Dial M for Murder.

[Ashberto]

The only people who should be allowed to vote are those who broadly agree with you, and anyone with different views should be subject to endless ad hominem attacks.

[71 Guns - channeling the spirit of Mr Hat]

and raise the drink-driving limit...albeit in Scotland only at the mo. Canny bit of target audience work there, Clive.

[Classic Jorge]

:hehe:

Is it not a serious point though? Why should people who wont have to ebdure the future decide on it?

[Classic Jorge]

http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/782462/23613239/1380632237337/Farage_520.jpg?token=IR7ySmEvUjJdDTSlw%2F2ph6v5bns %3D

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Do you think they should be allowed to vote?

Just checking.

[Classic Jorge]

I'm especially keen on it if it still only wins them one seat.





*as long as they arent old

[Monty91]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Presumably so UKIP voters would be more fairly represented?

[Berni]

Nobody is excited by Remain and backing it will win no-one any popularity.

As to the polls, Remain should be very worried if they go into the vote with polls at 50/50. Leave voters will crawl over broken class to vote to leave, while many of the Remain voters are far from passionate and, of course, many of them are young and thus won't turn up to vote.

[Berni]

[Berni]

they tend to vote Conservative.

[Ashberto]

All that healthcare and pensions and ****. Why should the young pay for that?

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Or is it just unfair that anyone who disagrees with you is allowed to vote?

[Classic Jorge]

You can see the logic cant you?

[Berni]

Of course they do. They simply happen to disagree with you about what the best thing to do for that future is. And, given that young people are wrong about pretty much everything pretty much all the time, I'm not sure where your idea that their wishes should take primacy over those of people who know better than them comes from, really.

[Classic Jorge]

Surely though it has to be a case of 'you've had your time, now let people with more stake in the future decide'.

I'm not talking youngish old people, just those over 65

[Berni]

How is that not a 'stake in the future'?

[redgunamo]

[redgunamo]

Everyone needs an incentive, a motivation. Or to put it another way, how hard and well would you be prepared to work if you knew all your money was going to go into, let us say, my pocket, rather than your own or your family's. What difference would it make to you, why would you care?

[redgunamo]

[redgunamo]

To presume otherwise is deeply insulting to our parents etc., imo.

[redgunamo]