Wendy Deng's relationship trajectory reveals a proper taste for bad boys

[Classic Jorge]

Rupert Murdoch > Tony Blair > Vladimir Putin.

Not for her the lad with a black leather jacket and a Honda 50, oh no. Not for her the local estate pub small-time drug dealer, no. This girl likes them properly mean.

She only allows despots under her sweater and the only way you'll get your hands down her nickers is if they're soaked with blood.

[Berni]

I'm sure I'd have remembered if he had.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

It can't be healthy spending your whole life trying others for crimes in your head.

Have you considered a hobby?

[Monty91]

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

It remains an amazing list of conquests though, I dont think there are many to compare.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Classic Jorge]

Unless satire is really funny, and I'm not sure most of the CH stuff is, then it's just offensive.

South Park depicted Mohammed and it was funny, and what's more it wasnt met with the brouhaha the danish cartoons or Charlie.

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

Queen whenever the opportunity arises.

'Manners'? :hehe: f**k me.

Also, where's the manners in threatening people with death because they've written or drawn something you don't like?

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

You realise that they got shot, right?

[Berni]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Classic Jorge]

I dont make the rules

[Berni]

likely to kill you for being rude.

[Monty91]

entire Allan world rising up in collective indignation.

For example, the fatwah against Rushdie was only issued a year after The Satanic Verses' publication and the initial response from the muslim world was relatively mild (albeit disapproving).

But do you mean to tell me that you honestly believe that most moderate muslims object to these depictions on the grounds of simple bad manners, rather than because they disobey their religious beliefs?

[Classic Jorge]

80 years of selfless duty, look at her there managing not to smile despite the six f**king castles.

[Classic Jorge]

Not the pseudo-farage nutjob that posts here, I might add.

[Monty91]

in the edit box, yet does not appear as such once posted?

[7evens]

[Classic Jorge]

The Hun gets terrible stick for not being funny but they are more jovial, and what's more better at music, than the french.

[Berni]

is your single most important reason for spouting bile about her. And you do it because you know the likelihood of getting yourself righteously f**ked up for doing so is very slim.

In essence, your rudeness is cowardly in nature, whereas Charlie Hebdo's had the virtue of courage and actually putting something on the line for a principle.

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

Though I'm really not sure I have the patience to explain it to someone who cant get his nut around cup keepers.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Charming lad.

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

The depiction of him is one thing, but depicting him negatively is quite another.

It's sort of what I've proved below by whipping waldorf and statler up into a barista quality froth by mentioning betty scg.

[Berni]

Are they all 'mongs', would you say?

[Monty91]

[Luis Anaconda]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

three cheeks of the same arse, don't you?

Monty has, at least, the benefit of some intellect, and snin has that car crash quality which causes a degree of fascination.

Your efforts need something... try humour.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Cameron?

Thatcher?

[Luis Anaconda]

[Berni]

So there is a principle at stake here. However, it's a principle that can only be defended by being exercised in the face of those who threaten it. Only by being offensive can one assert one's right to be offensive. Fail to exercise that right and it will soon fall into abeyance.

Charlie Hebdo deliberately and consciously exercised that right in order to keep it alive. And they paid a terrible price for it. For that they deserve our respect.

[Luis Anaconda]

[Classic Jorge]

different lips of the same c**t, basically

[7evens]

[Classic Jorge]

Monty asked why I wouldnt and that's what my answer was.

Dont call me out as some sort of fatwa weilding ayatollah here.

I even cited an example of south park doing it less than five years previously, so I think our rights would have had some eroding to do in that time.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Silly behaviour.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

But it's someone else's fault, I suppose.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Not even a contest.

[Luis Anaconda]

(stiif competition I know) Pat van den Hauwe?

[Classic Jorge]

[Monty91]

motive for doing so that can be directly traced back to what is written in their holy book?

Wow.

[Classic Jorge]

Obviously, I've not asked them all but the ones I have usually just seem a bit exasperated by the whole business.

You seem to want to sew division where I genuinely dont think there is any. There are enough people trying to do that, and doing it better, like ISIS, the govt, plus a million others.

Carry on doing their work if you like.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

As a consequence, there were very different results.

[redgunamo]

Basically, Leicester City's season ended weeks ago once they avoided relegation. They can just enjoy themselves now. Spurs will've done well just by finishing so high up the table.

We, on the other hand ..

[Classic Jorge]

And was shown time and time again up until the danish furore kicked off.

They actually had a bigger problem with depicting Tom Cruise in a cupboard.

[Berni]

You can't say 'I defend their right to do it, but they shouldn't have done it' because your equivocation implies blame and serves to obfuscate and excuse the egregious wrong done to people who had never done anything more than draw pictures and write sentence by men with automatic weapons.

Besides, if your instinct after an event like that is to criticise the victim, your priorities are all to f**k.

[Monty91]

There are endless credible polls that haven’t been conducted by an intern at the Sun that show that support for Isis in countries across the Middle East and beyond is vast. We know that 6,000 European nationals have gone to fight for them. We know that more British muslims have gone to fight for Isis than have joined the British Army. We know that those who are prepared to kill us and themselves include both impoverished and western-educated Allans.

No division. Sure.

[Classic Jorge]

That makes no sense. My original post, when challenged by Monty, stated that I agreed they should be able to do it but their doing of it was a bit crap.

[Berni]

a black title card. In other words, they bottled it.

[Classic Jorge]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

But it's okay.

Elneny has brought a new dimension to midfield and Iwobi looks lively up front so it will all be very different next year.

[Monty91]

departure from your attitude to pretty much anything else.

And we are understandably asking ourselves why that is.

[Classic Jorge]

Though I do think the british army one is very telling though. Can you see why that might be the case? I mean, given for most of the living memory of any potential recruit we've been bombing their people into dust.

[Classic Jorge]

Jesus, sorry christians, how many times?

[redgunamo]

by this stage, but others do seem more champion-like than us just now.

[Monty91]

[Berni]

they used an image of Mohammed. In other words, when they were probably not even aware that this was offensive they did it, but when there was actually something at stake, they bottled it.

You see what I'm saying about the need to exercise the right or it going into abeyance?

[redgunamo]

[Classic Jorge]

If either the danish cartoons or the CH stuff were actually funny they would have been a lot easier to use as a debate to at least move things forward a bit. As it were they were rudimentary, crude and well, a bit ****.

I mean, look at this stuff. It wouldnt make it into the Profanasaurus end of Viz.

http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/Charlie-Hebdo-covers.png

[Monty91]

someone who objects to Britain’s foreign policy. Not joining the British Army and joining Isis? Not so much.

[Classic Jorge]

Matt and Trey, the creators of south park, threatened to - and even did - leave CC over that but they were able to find a compromise eventually.

[Berni]

capitulation as anything other than cowardice (moral and physical), but ultimately that is what it comes down to. Comedy Central's decision was rational and in some lights sensible, but it ultimately meant yet another 'offensive' voice was silenced not by argument, but by the threat of violence.

And that's why it doesn't matter that Charlie Hebdo was crude and unfunny - they at least had the courage to cause offence when it was dangerous to do so. And, by doing so, they kept a freedom alive that others lacked the courage to maintain. And they should be honoured for it.

[Monty91]

You simply have no explanation for why you object to the depictions on the grounds of bad taste yet do not apply this rule of thumb to any other subject.

[Classic Jorge]

But **** satire does nobody any favours. It just makes the people agreeing with it look more like morons and those disagreeing with it look more just.

[Classic Jorge]

Like you, I'm not here to win friends and influence people. As I've said before, I object to them on the grounds they werent funny, and thus they were crass and rude.

If they were funny, and also they were crass and rude, then the crassness and rudeness would have made them funnier, a sort of shameful joy, but as it is they were ****. I mean really, really ****.

[Ashberto]

but presumably you don't mind that because those other people don't award themselves the 'right' to take hysterical offence to the point of committing mass murder.

[Classic Jorge]

I wouldve liked it to be good, I really would. It would have made the whole thing a lot easier to get behind. As it was it felt like I was like defending Mac, the rarely funny but often racist Daily Mail cartoonist.

[Ashberto]

[redgunamo]

I'm not sure the CH lads actually, seriously believed they were actually, seriously in imminent danger of being a,s AKed at their desks.

A small distinction but a crucial one, I feel.

[Berni]

South Park is infinitely funnier, cleverer and more subversive, but ultimately (for whatever reasons) lacked the courage of its convictions. Charlie Hebdo and the Danish cartoon fella were ****e, but they were there when 'better' satirists or humorists were being cowed into submission, so you saying they were **** satire is utterly beside the point. They made a political stand where others did not dare to do so. They drew a line in the sand and died by it. So '****' or not, 'funny' or not, 'crass' just doesn't matter.

Pretending we all have the right to say something that offends muslims, but never doing it because we're afraid is just a cowardly cop out. We don't actually have that right because we've abnegated it through non-use. Only those who dare to insist upon using that right make it real maintain it. Charlie Hebdo did and whether we like the way they did is immaterial.

[Monty91]

[Monty91]

at all. Sometimes not being muslim is enough. Or indeed not being muslim enough, for that matter.

[Classic Jorge]

My main issues is that, having decided they were going to do something that really needed to be funny if it was going to work, though "f**k it, this'll do" and put something out that was ****.

The documentary I watched recently put it across well, it had Palin, Chapman and Cleese really putting themselves through the ringer to make sure that Brian was funny, or it couldve all gone horribly wrong for them.

I just wish these guys had put a few extra hours in on this one, and I suppose in retrospect so do they.

[redgunamo]

[Classic Jorge]

This comes mostly down to the issue of how much it costs to make 22mins of very well animated show in a three week window (they have to make it topical) versus a cartoon magazine.

Satire *needs* to be funny, and therefore good, to really work. Which is why it's harder than most other comedy, it's the duality, the danger.

It really matters, precisely for these reasons, whether it's funny or not. It's crucial that it is.

[redgunamo]

rather than that it were done well? In these interesting times anyway.

[Classic Jorge]

It has to be done and done well. The more incendiary the subject is the more crucial it is that its funny.

[Monty91]

a few radical Christians who objected to The Life of Brian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl8acXl3qVs

And then...

https://www.keyframe5.com/wp-content/uploads/muslim-protesting.jpg

[Monty91]

Anything to do with what it says in their made up holy book, per chance?

[Berni]

[redgunamo]

[Classic Jorge]

Bit less in-your-face, but they should really be turning the other cheek.

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20071205&t=2&i=2386824&w=644&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&sq=&r=2007-12-05T123147Z_01_L05547759_RTRUKOP_0_PICTURE0

[Classic Jorge]

Also, you do know that depicting Mo is considered haraam as it is, so if you're depicting him negatively that's worse squared?

I'm not defending what they did, and you know full well that my point isnt about that. I just really wish we were talking about something better here.

[Monty91]

non-muslim religious fanatics too.

So thank you for wasting our time.

Did they ever find Stewart Lee's headless body, by the way?

[Monty91]

holy books other than the Koran that include repugnant doctrines.

So thank you for wasting our time. Again.

[Classic Jorge]

I sort of pointed out that their reaction had nothing to do with the relative scriptures and everything to do with the societal/cultural temperature that exists around religion.

You never saw the severed heads of the south park guys either

[Classic Jorge]

[Monty91]

situations flare up and that the content of the material can make a difference.

But, the fact is, without religion, these objections do not exist. Or at least they do not carry any weight. Religion validates them, in the minds of both mental god-botherers and intelligent non-religionists like you. And that is a problem.

[Ashberto]

"we will kill you".

It's almost as if Christianity isn't a problem, but Islam is.

[Ashberto]

Unless we have to submit, of course.

And yes, the OT is full of ****, but Christianity has been neutered. It is harmless and basically secular. Christianity is not living in the middle ages any more, but radical Islam is, quite clearly and increasingly so.

Did you say earlier that we'd have a fully secular society by 2050? Not if we don't stand up for secularism, we won't. And we don't do that by allowing the fanatics to dictate the rules.

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

But you cant argue that without religion the world would be a better place therefore lets get rid of religion, it doesnt work like that.

I do a lot of work supporting refugee charities (but I dont talk about it that much, charidee made) and they are rammed with good religiousers of every shade helping people. Working together too.

[redgunamo]

than they are.

Killing people is all very well but unless it pay the bills and buys the wife new Louis Vuittons and Mercedes Benzes, it's really just pointless and wrong. Albeit fun for the select few.

If they stopped war tomorrow, we could all just go off and play Call of Duty; but if you live in some third world hellhole, what else are you going to do, how else do you make a name for yourself while having some fun with the boys.

[Classic Jorge]

[redgunamo]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Monty91]

live under the threat of death.

I think there’s even a twitter hashtag for it. That should get your interested.

[Classic Jorge]

[Ashberto]

Has she got bored of the Range Rovers?

[redgunamo]

[redgunamo]

civilian here and there, but it's definitely us that's doing the *real* killing.