so....AWIMB are a bunch of f**ktard ludites

[2 Strikers?]

Ok cretins, everything is going electric, faster than you can jack off to a 'your mum' joke
cars are going to be driver less before you lot die.
Green tech does and will work if provided with the same happy tax breaks and investment that oil has enjoyed
Fusion power is within reach.
solar and geothermal are free money once the initial capex has been allotted.
Oil can be as cheap as you like but the reality is that none of the real costs are paid by the oil companies.
military costs of subjugating the sources of oil
military costs of securing the transport routes of the oil/gas
human and fiscal costs of dealing with the flow of migrant flow that are a direct result of said military intervention
human and fiscal costs of dealing with the mass migration of people due to climate change affected areas.
ecological costs of being the forcing behind mass extinction event.
oil and gas will run out, guaranteed.
The planet will be well f**ked if we burn all that's left, but don't let that stop you.

[IUFG]

https://natureology101.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/tree-hugger.jpg

[Berni]

There's a reason for that.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[2 Strikers?]

nobody likes anybody getting free stuff?

its going to happen, why not get in on the ground floor.

[Classic Jorge]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Fires are cool.

[Classic Jorge]

And petrol fires are a bit scary

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Wood the whole way, and turf obviously.

My Mrs bought some recycled wood, well I think it was recycled wood. Burned a treat mind you.

Lit a fire last weekend. It was quite pleasant out to be fair but you have to love a fire.

[Berni]

disingenuous, though, isn't it? And the capex you blithely mention for solar ignores the fact that PV technology is hugely expensive in terms of outlay and that the payback simply isn't big enough or fast enough to make it an attractive, large-scale option - certainly in this country. Geothermal tech on any large scale would mean essentially digging up most of the country at enormous financial and environmental expense, while wind farms are hugely unreliable (the gearbox bearings being a massive issue for geared ones and the high cost and shortage of rare earth metals being a problem for those using permanent magnet technology). Equally, their maintenance is incredibly difficult and expensive - especially offshore. And then there is the simply enormous and incredibly costly infrastructural issue of actually getting the energy these sources generate into the f**king grid.

And as for everything 'going electric', well a/ no it isn't and b/ where do you think the electricity is coming from?

And, as an engineering and technology journalist, I know a fair bit about driverless vehicle technology. It is certainly coming, but has no relevance in terms of environmental impact.

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

Petrol is only really useful for getting warm quickly, then immolating yourself, your family and then your house.

[Classic Jorge]

[Pokster]

[Berni]

He looked briefly like a giant Ready Brek kid and then reeked of burning hair for the rest of the evening. :clap:

[Classic Jorge]

but this was a step too far

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIUpsiKCMAAH0l-.jpg

[Berni]

taking the piss out of them, do you? :hehe:

[Classic Jorge]

[Ashberto]

[Pokster]

[Classic Jorge]

[2 Strikers?]

how are you not excited by the burgeoning potential of green energies.
We have to wean ourselves off of fossil fuels, (ahem) *FACT
Geothermal can be built into the many redundant holes in the ground left by mining.
Cars are redundant for 95% of the time so its not just driverless that're coming but also new forms of car usage. shared journeys, bookable journeys, Uber style.

it'll take time, the reaction by the capitalists here who are buried neck deep in the sand with eyes only for dosh tells that story but it is coming.

bet half of them wished they had go tin on the ground floor of Google, Apple and Microsoft but couldnt see the future.
Well second chance boys.

Also how politically brilliant will it be to secure power independence from the Allans and Ivans

[Pokster]