It would be interesting to conduct personality tests of Arsenal fans to see whether there are any

[Monty91]

shared characteristics within the groups that want Wenger to stay and want him to leave.

My suspicion is that the ‘in’ group would score higher on empathy and lower on impulsiveness.

That isn’t to say they are necessarily right. It may be that this is an instance where their empathetic side skews their judgement, in the same way that a person of this type may trust people too much and end up being taken advantage of.

[redgunamo]

His successor win us two European Cups in his first three seasons :rubchin:

[7evens]

[Classic Jorge]

[redgunamo]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

This apparent dread or apprehension that it is simply all going to go wrong, a feeling in itself which is based on absolutely nothing.

[Monty91]

enough to stay for 10, 15 or 20 years. This is because what clubs strive for - or should be striving for - is stability.

In Arsene Wenger, we found that. I think we'd all agree it is hugely unlikely that the next chap sticks around for even a quarter of that time, given how rare that is nowadays.

So why not eek out every grain of that period of stability that we can? It’s not as if we’re floundering in midtable. We are winning the odd **** cup and marginally underachieving in the big tournaments. Why not squeeze the juice till it’s all gone?

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

You're making a sterling argument to retain the chap.

[Monty91]

certain other variables - perhaps assertiveness.

[7evens]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/09/11/article-0-00EA090E00000190-520_468x584.jpg

[Monty91]

Do you think Man Utd fans would agree?

[Monty91]

underachievement into achievement. I don’t necessarily see why this is the case.

It took Man City four years to win the Premier League after they struck oil. Why not give Wenger the same time?

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Every managerial appointment is unique.

United made a mess of it with Moyes, how we laughed. That does not in any way whatsoever influence the outcome of our succession to Wenger.

Spurs sacked whoever it was and appointed Pochetinno who has been a resounding success. There are and can be very good managerial appointments also.

[redgunamo]

That's the whole point; unpredictable, exciting, see?

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

http://www.awimb.com/fudforum/index.php?t=tree&th=592471 &mid=4095493&rid=173&S=ebc1d9ecb2f800e322320df56 82bf59f&rev=&reveal= (http://www.awimb.com/fudforum/index.php?t=tree&th=592471&mid=4095493&rid=173&S=ebc1d9ecb2f800e322320df5682bf59f&rev=&reveal=)

[redgunamo]

[Monty91]

one of his charges.

Then the recriminations would begin about whether he’s the right man for the job and before you know it, we’re off on a Tottenham-esque 18-year cycle.

That's the worst case - but eminently possible - scenario. And for those who claim to truly "love" the club, this should be a sobering thought.

Unless, of course, the idea that they "love" the club is disingenuous bull**** and they in fact treat football like any other form of disposable entertainment.

[redgunamo]

Perfectly capable of dealing with a few fallow seasons. And they still have all the potential in the world both inside and outside their current squad.

I don't think Arsenal fans are greedy for success. Do you?

[Monty91]

I would, with a heavy heart, be compelled to hope he leaves.

[Monty91]

Some will obviously want Mourinho, and that's fine. But, as I said, the ambition is to create a dynasty, right? That's the ultimate dream.

[redgunamo]

except perhaps for your sort.

You want Wenger to stay, not because of Wenger but because liking Him is your way of distancing yourself from, and showing your disapproval of, others among your fellow supporters that you *really* don't like.

It's almost nothing to do with Wenger at all, imo.

[redgunamo]

You'll feel that better as your son grows up.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

How many times in recent seasons have early defeats seen us “in crisis”, handily enough each time when the transfer window is open and Wenger has time to react should he see fit.

Just out of curiosity why do you seem so convinced things are automatically going to go wrong. It almost comes across as a a perverted sense of justification for many years of sticking with Wenger.

[Monty91]

would I want him gone? :shrug:

[7evens]

I wouldn't be that bothered if we didn't win the league with another manager, simply that I'm tired of this one, who has been given more than enough rolls of the dice.
A new approach has to be welcomed, it's the only way to get your bicycle out of the tram lines, so to speak.
Nothings going to improve the status quo, accept perhaps a new bass player.

[redgunamo]

Someone else might have :shrug:

[Monty91]

him, so how could I possibly make a judgement?

I can see the arguments for change. I’m merely putting forward the arguments for him staying and stating my own position that, on balance and all things considered, I personally would favour him staying as long as he keeps us in the Champions League.

[Monty91]

change for changes sake.

I reckon I could actually put up a better argument for why he should leave than you.

[redgunamo]

[7evens]

This is Football and the way of things.
It's apathy and not just a case of low threshold after twenty seasons.
The CL record has become a standing joke alongside his inability to address the defense.

[redgunamo]

Make banners etc.?

[Monty91]

preference for wanting him to stay.

[redgunamo]

And, as an Arsenal supporter, you will maintain hope for the best for the AFC regardless?

I agree. Me, too :shrug:

I put your plea of pragmatism down to a flowery, poetic flourish because I do not believe that you can have failed to notice that many other clubs and many other managers have been winning all those trophies we have been failing to win, all during the time we ourselves have been failing to win them.

[Snin]

offer...straight pseuds corner in private eye terms imo

[Monty91]

But more than loyalty. Fairness, too. Quite simply, he *deserves* the chance to keep plugging away.

And yes, also pragmatism. I honestly see no reason why he doesn’t have as good a chance of anyone of winning us the league. So essentially, all we’d be doing is swapping one bloke who can win it for another. Change for change’s sake, as I said earlier.

One other thing: how on earth can anyone say they want him out when they have absolutely no idea who will replace him. Or who they even *want* to replace him?

Essentially they are saying “anyone but Wenger” and for a manager of his stature, that is ridiculous.

Someone asked me a few months back if I would swap Wenger for Pep. I said yes. But we know Pep won’t replace him this summer, so who will? And without knowing, how can I say I want him out?

So, pragmatism, loyalty and fairness. A good combination, imo.

[Snin]

mental sociopaths with massive personality disorders imo ..I can always now tell if im slipping back into my ol dark days and its time to start fighting off Phaedrus when I find myself getting over worked up by the football or rugby..its just another crutch for the weak minded most the time imo and im not saying im not in that group!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/10817517/Is-watc hing-football-making-you-depressed.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/10817517/Is-watching-football-making-you-depressed.html)

[redgunamo]

No offence :-)