I have now officially joined both Brexit campaigns. Cameron beware.

[Mo Britain less Europe]

[Classic Jorge]

I saw this gem earlier, I can only hope you've not joined this bunch.

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtl1/t31.0-8/12794845_560444684132460_8487384947942897300_o.jpg

[Brexit = Keine Pumpernickel]

Brexit? And don't expect VAT to go away either :****er:

I dread to think what such disruption would do to the markets and my Europe wide investments :throatcut:

[Mo Britain less Europe]

['Neg]

[Mo Britain less Europe]

[Classic Jorge]

We're in a great position as we are, but we should be influencing things rather than standing around on the edges petulantly grumbling.

[Classic Jorge]

[Mo Britain less Europe]

other interest groups. Denning compared EU law to the tide coming in thorugh every estuary and the EU as a whole is like that. They pledge to do this or that but nothing diverts the move to try and create a huge, unmanageable federal state with a centralised, intolerant, unelected directorate running the show.

[Classic Jorge]

Because that makes us look strong in the minds of op ed writers. We're the fifth largest economy in the world and our influence over our near neighbours should be far, far greater.

If we stay in we could really use this whole 'close call' business to our advantage by building a proper coalition in europe.

[Mo Britain less Europe]

[redgunamo]

[Luis Anaconda]

victory to stay in, which leaves a government with a huge rump of its party disaffected attempting to change things but facing massive resistance from both sides. Pretty much like the last 30 years then

[Classic Jorge]

I'm all for weaning ourself off of the current debt/financial services-based economic model but this would hit the current model really hard without coming up with any sort of viable alternative first.

It's essentially the same as sacking your manager without knowing who to replace them with.

[redgunamo]

Understandably, I suppose.

[redgunamo]

[Classic Jorge]

As I say, I'm far from that guy who bases every political decision on stockmarket values but this would be catastrophic for british business, for the pound and for our place in the world. It's a real shortcut to diminishing our influence in terms of soft and hard power the world over.

As we're negotiating from a position of exclusionist weakness, not to mention have virtually no manufacturing base, every trade deal will be a ******* to negotiate and we'll spend a generation in the wilderness, added to the one that's already spent the last ten years here. We'll see a massive brain drain and jobs will fly out of the country to other places almost immediately.

We've got a ridiculously good position, lets recognise that.

[Luis Anaconda]

[Classic Jorge]

We should be looking at a hanseatic model here.

[redgunamo]

[Luis Anaconda]

for a "remain" result as the dissension and opposition will remain will a healthy sense of its own importance, hampering the government at every turn.

[Classic Jorge]

[redgunamo]

They all speak perfect English, for a start.

[Classic Jorge]

It's their version of Labours calling everyone else splitters/red tories/etc

[Luis Anaconda]

when has it ever been possible to get them to do anything our way?

[redgunamo]

Which, in turn, informs the society, culture, laws, behaviour and so on.

[Mo Britain less Europe]

[Luis Anaconda]

[Luis Anaconda]

Maybe it will go to penalties

[Classic Jorge]

[redgunamo]

The Germans only tolerate them at the top table because they live in hope that some "German-ness" will eventually rub off on them.

The special friendship thing is an enormous fib. The EU cannot work without it though.

[redgunamo]

[Mo Britain less Europe]

[Classic Jorge]

Of course I want a better run europe, I also want a better government here.

I still think, on balance, we have more chance of a better run europe than a better run UK though. I dont feel like I have a say in either.

[redgunamo]

Thing is, *you* wouldn't want to live in such a place. Not even Germans want to live in such a place but they have no choice because .. well, because they're Germans.

Why do you imagine they all learn English so well. So that, in the wider world, they can pass for civilised human beings. Or, to put it another way, ask yourself why you've never taken the trouble to learn their lingo.