Seems a pity that membership support for the EU is set to collapse, primarily

[7evens]

due to the inability of those in charge to set manageable and ultimately acceptable levels of immigration.
Even the most liberal cannot fail to see that current levels are not sustainable.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35658731

[Classic Jorge]

Whilst we seem to have exported 2m retirees, not to mention their not inconsiderable burdens on health and social care, abroad.

Are we not getting a pretty good deal out of the whole thing, on balance?

[7evens]

Pockets of towns in the UK resemble a return to the Victorian era.
Over crowded housing, massive strain on resources and communities struggling to assimilate to multi culturalism.

[Classic Jorge]

It's far more likely that the systematic underfunding of those services is the main impact, especially given local authorities have had their budgets cut by nearly a third since 2010.

It's OK though, the public seem to thing it's the foreigners that are causing it.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

of welfare claiming refugees.

[IUFG]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boston-how-a- lincolnshire-town-became-the-most-divided-place-in-england-a 6838041.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/boston-how-a-lincolnshire-town-became-the-most-divided-place-in-england-a6838041.html)

Nice to see Bradford doing so well . . .

[Classic Jorge]

Bradford is almost duocultural in that sense. What seems to have actually tipped the balance and kickstarted the whole integration is the influx of poles, romanians and solvakians. Now there's not so much of the "Them and us" stuff going on people seem to be rubbing along better.

Bloody multiculturalism, helping everyone get on better and widening people's horizons.

[7evens]

from East Europe are from a way of life far more violent than our own.
I have family members at the coal face of domestic violence and a disproportionate chunk of those poor cows fall victim at an alarming rate. It's becoming a seriously booming aspect of modern life. It's always been there but you only have to look at cases like Rotherham and elsewhere to see that women are held in particularly low regard by many cultures.
It'll take generations for many of these people to adapt to a more British way of life.

[Classic Jorge]

I'd struggle to highlight our own enlightened, gentle english way of life in the middle of thick necked yorkshire lads and lassed knocking lumps out of eachother.

Are you actually saying that this mass immigration, which by the way was mostly balanced out by quite a lot of emmigration, is the main problem here?

[Luis Anaconda]

at my school marked you out as different, god forbid you had a Northern accent. Not exactly a hotbed of multiculturalism

[Ashberto]

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[Ashberto]

Didn't stop* the car, kept on going. Anyway, at what point do the concepts of friendly yorkshire folk and violent yorkshire folk converge? Is it friendly violence?

*Except to have a look at Oakwell.

[7evens]

to see both positives and negatives of MC.
Seems to me that in areas like Lincs and South Yorks there's a huge level of resentment.
Immigration shouldn't ever be an issue as long as it's applied with a degree of common sense.
I'm sure if in a six months, half of your street was occupied by Romanians and Bulgarians whose kids were screaming and running amok at half ten at night, you'd begin to question the meaning of it all..
Wealthy whitey gets to escape from it and pontificate on the economic benefits. I'm fairly certain there are those whose lives have been turned upside down by it have a different view and yet it's all too easy to label them as racist.

[IUFG]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q-x7CEwFcE

:bow: I miss you Dennis :cry:

[Classic Jorge]

I believe it would be remiss of me at this point to highlight the fact that south and west yorkshire are two totally different places. One's coal and the other is wool, for starters.

[Ashberto]

[Classic Jorge]

[Ashberto]

I know some lovely people from Doncaster, and met many nice, friendly types in pubs there too. I suspect the West Yorks types are a bit, y'know, Lancastrian. They can be right nasty buggers that lot.

[Classic Jorge]

Not that I'm generalising, but that sort of large scale mono-industrial thing does have an effect.

Donny is largely coal (between Donny and Barnsley is where the main coalfields were) too, but also rail, and strangely enough they have very similar houses to York and Finsbury Park. Mostly as they were all built by East Coast Mainline companies back in the day.

[Mo Britain less Europe]

it isn't budgeted for. People complain about, for example, the NHS. If you add more potential clients you need more money just to stay where we are etc etc

[Ashberto]

which was walking through it and having breakfast, it seemed the classic Essex answer to the question 'where have all the cockneys gone?'

Funnily enough when I started school in England I had an Irish accent, and everyone called me 'Irish'. :hehe: My parents had to explain to me that this didn't actually mean that I was Irish.

[Luis Anaconda]

[Ashberto]

with countryside between them. And they all seem to have names starting with B and ending in y. And speaking of which, yes of course Barnsley was coal. How could I forget - I went down the mine you can visit near there.

[Ashberto]

[Classic Jorge]

I missed the documentary but I think I grew up in a pretty multicultural area and perhaps I dont have the same horror of it that some people might.

The central problem for all of this isnt race, culture, religion or ethnicity though, it's poverty and inequality.

[Classic Jorge]

Bentley, Bawtrey, Balby :nod:

Mind you, it was where Open All Hours was filmed

[Classic Jorge]

They also have contingencies for population fluctuations to offset this very problem.

[IUFG]

a beautiful sight to see :cloud9:

[Berni]

Lincolnshire. f**king weird place.

[Ashberto]

http://www.granthamforgrowth.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/grantham-for-growth.jpg

[7evens]

touch paper to the well reasoned and balanced white working classes right ?

[Classic Jorge]

I mean, could you imagine them rocking up in Epsom or Virginia Water?

This is, of course, one of the great scams of those in power. Convincing them that it's the foreigner next door that bears them the ill will, as opposed to the person who forgot their village/town/estate existed decades ago.

[Ashberto]

with hardly anyone around.

[Classic Jorge]

tbh the main reason I left London was that I could see it was fast becoming an unsustainable place to live. Not just where I grew up but anywhere even vaguely near it.

We wanted to have kids and bring them up in a house and it wasnt going to happen there. It was certainly not going to happen in some awful suburban dormitory town either, because I probably couldnt afford the rafters to swing from.

[Ashberto]