When did Dynamo Kiev become Dynamo Kyiv, by the way?

[Berni]

And does this mean that it's now Chicken Kyivs as well?

[Luis Anaconda]

[Classic Jorge]

I dont think food really keeps up with things that much, you'll get blank looks if you ask for Mumbai Mix.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Kiev being the Russian word so in efforts to underline their new found Ukraineness they changed it to the Ukraine, Kyiv.

Not sure about the chicken but a damned fine meal when all is said and done.

[Luis Anaconda]

or falling that a bacon sandwich

[Luis Anaconda]

Adams' tackle on Shevchenko :bow:

Wembley :-(

[Snin]

[Classic Jorge]

Being the place where the original Vikings sailed down the Volga and settled places like Odessa and started referring to themselves as Rus.

[Snin]

[Berni]

And

Also, dogs. It's still the Rhodesian Ridgeback rather than the Zimbabwean Ridgeback, for instance, which is a bit politically incorrect of it.

[Snin]

[Berni]

Kazakhstan at the end of the day?

[Berni]

with that to avoid diplomatic incidents.

[Classic Jorge]

Then he had to go and ruin it by playing for spurs.

Doing OK in management though.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Classic Jorge]

[Snin]

as no labels

[Ashberto]

I'm sure they spelled it Kiev since then. Or maybe just we did. Still, if the French are allowed to spell London wrong and we're allowed to spell Munchen wrong then why not?

[Snin]

[Berni]

monstrosity that should be burned with fire.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

I stopped doing History after 3rd year in school, dropped it from my O'Level subjects because I find it incredibly f**king boring.

[7evens]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

A fist fight for sure would ensue, maybe a full on melee.

[Berni]

They're called 'Burmese' and 'Siamese'.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

...but fair

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article682988.ece/ALTERNATES/s1227b/Steps%20back%20in%201999

[Classic Jorge]

All we ever got were Kings and wars at school. Two incredibly dull bits of history, not to mention ones that form a rather unhelpful world view.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

And the teacher, he was a c**t also.

And the Geography one. He can shove his ox bow lakes up his hole.

And the sciences.

[Classic Jorge]

Not that I dont agree with you about Geography - I pointed out that they mostly seemed to be teaching us Geology once, which went down like a lead waloon

[Snin]

and now the PC brigade and educated travelled middleclass bbc snobs started calling it Kyiv imo

[Berni]

about the agricultural and industrial revolutions, the Great depression and the rise of the Nazis - boooooooooooooorrrrrring!

A Level history was when **** got good and you started to look at things in depth.

[Berni]

themselves out as a thick c**t fit only to be a PE teacher imo.

What a pointless f**king subject.

[Snin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cordon_bleu_%28dish%29

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_Kiev

[Classic Jorge]

Wars are basically f**king dull and man at his worst, followed closely in that respect by royalty.

[Berni]

[Snin]

lucky dip..both lovely

[Berni]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Ashberto]

Although did you see that not only have the Nazis and the 'moderates' fallen out, as Svoboda and Right Sector are rioting against the peace deal with the rebels in the East, but the moderates have spilt the beans that the shooting of the maiden demonstrators which was blamed on the police, and used as justification for the coup, was actually done by the fascists anyway (as many have known all along).

NOW DERE'S A TING

[Berni]

insofar as they are the means by which things were governed. Trying to analyse political history without concentrating on the centralised core of political power within a state is a bit tricky imo.

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

In terms of political structures, I've always been more fascinated by your city states and hansa cities.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

[Snin]

strange how our press not mentioning that story ? :rubchin: or that if you said that back then you would be screamed down as naeive , conspiracy thorist etc.. :rubchin: makes you wonder what else they lie about eh... :rubchin: but its ok we can trust our press and leaders so its ok :hehe:

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Irish, English x 2, Maths, Religion … Economics, French, Physics ……… ……………………… Geography.

[Berni]

That's going to give you a pretty patchy grasp of history, I'd have thought.

[Berni]

[Ashberto]

That fits well with your internationalism. What with it being the complete opposite.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

I was taught wee bits of Irish at home from as young as I can remember so it was a very simple qualification/pass to get in respect of requiring passes to move to the next level.

Grade A in both O and A levels. Utterly f**king **** and pointless of course unless I want to be a Garda, Primary School teacher or perhaps work for TG4 but who really thinks that far ahead at 14 or whatever years of age.

It was also a subject that allowed me to get fully immersed in under-age drinking at a relatively early level so another notch in its belt as such.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

I do not like it.

[Classic Jorge]

And anyway, solely concentrating on our monarchy, which is what most of schools history does, is going to give you an even patchier grasp.

[Classic Jorge]

Go on, point out a communist shouldnt be interested in trade and industry now

[Classic Jorge]

:hehe: Sorry, I'm only on a wind up sw

[Classic Jorge]

[eastgermanautos]

[Berni]

If you mean we were pretty exclusively taught British history until it got to GCSE, then yes. But to do anything else would be weird. People need to know their own history before embarking on anyone else's. However, the idea that it was all 'Kings and wars' is just nonsense.

[Ashberto]

And it is perfectly healthy to be interested in trade and industry, whatever one's political view. Essential, in fact.

[Berni]

dictatorship as any. If the Democratic Republic of Congo called itself 'Excelsior', it'd get a much easier ride imo.

[Ashberto]

https://www.ponychan.net/pony/src/1435535378494.jpg

[Classic Jorge]

Before that it was solidly british kings, save for a little bit of industrial revolution.

Safe to say we went to slightly different schools, mind.

[eastgermanautos]

*******s. oh wait.

[Classic Jorge]

I agree on trade and industry, not to mention economics.

[Classic Jorge]

Trust me, I'm a doctor

[Berni]

playing out throughout Europe even now. It's the most pivotal event in European history since the French Revolution. It would be weird if we didn't study it pretty closely, I'd have thought.

[Classic Jorge]

So they decided to chuck in a bit of wilfred owen and sassoon.

GAS, BOYS! GAS! :-(

[Berni]

given that the walls of the schoold were festooned with the names of the thousands of old boys who'd got themselves killed in both lots. No-one seemed to bat an eyelid about teaching us Owen's 'Dulce Et Decorum Est' calling it 'The old lie' while just outside the classroom was yet another board on the walll with a list of dead chaps on it proudly bearing the selfsame legend at the top.

Cognitive dissonance par excellence imo. Mind you, Owen was a bit of a whiner if you ask me.

[Ashberto]

I presume you know about the Steelyard in The City - trading base of the Hanseatics. They have clanking sound effects now blasting out of speakers under Cannon Street station.

[Classic Jorge]

And the influence can be seen to this very day right across northern europe.

I only learned about that stuff in london recently, actually.