Here we go again! At least 10 people killed and 20 injured in shooting ..

[Gunner Since Time Began - born to moan]

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At least 10 people killed and 20 injured in shooting at Oregon's Umpqua Community College campus
fox2now.com‎ - 26 mins ago
Authorities were “responding to reports of an active shooter” Thursday morning at the ...

[Mc Gooner]

[Snin]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/it/a/a5/Umpa_Lumpa.jpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=2&v=APj2ArUy6v4

[Snin]

destroying the land of the free to kill thy neighbour

[Chief Arrowhead]

that declaring schools, churches, etc., as gun free zones is like putting a great big bullseye up for the lunatics and mentally ill to target?

It's going to happen at a sporting event before long, wait and see.

[Chief Arrowhead]

[Snin]

anti depressant drug bollox..big pharmas kill more than us freedom to buy whatever drug you want helpin f**kers every day..Ritalin etc..crazt ****e. They tried to put my son on some bollox years ago saying adhd..bollox just a teen bloke and **** teachers..hes fine now not some murdering drugged up zombie

[Snin]

:****er: :****er:

[Chief Arrowhead]

They used to be locked up, which not only kept the general public safe, but was also fuel for an excellent book and movie

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/3e/15/f7/3e15f733b512024df688346d44673e79.jpg

[Bergkamp's Brain]

argument.

[Snin]

every time its like a new read..often like its about me tbh..love it. back when electric shock therapy was the answer. it always takes me about 3 months to read as reread every chapter, page, paragraph or line a few times..then go back again..love it...best book ever and most sense ever written. I love catch 22 but it pisses on it

[Snin]

what defence do they have. plus if you ban all guns now then crims and nutters will hold them while innocents will give them up. add on that that's its only one of the only balances against all out dictatorship that they've had with only 2 political parties, both very similar and both anti freedom its hard to argue against chief tbh

[Peter]

And aint they just the same thing anyway, Chief? :-)

[Chief Arrowhead]

It's always a place that explicitly bans firearms. These A-holes don't go to a shooting range.

[Chief Arrowhead]

They mostly think with their heart and don't use common sense. How they feel means everything to them. Many a liberal has seen the error in their ways at some point, later in life. I believe it was Clemenceau who said that a man who is not a socialist at age 20 has no heart, but if he is not conservative at age 40 he has no head. Some say that was Churchill, but I dunno.

I have no idea where that puts Headgear.

[Bergkamp's Brain]

from the other crackpots who frequent said establishment

[Bergkamp's Brain]

[Chief Arrowhead]

or live like you is an idiot. That seems rather bigoted and intolerant. It also shows an alarming sense of self-importance. So in a sense, you are your own deity, worshipping yourself.

[Chief Arrowhead]

[Snin]

and cant be brought back so lets deal with the ACTUAL problem not some dreamworld irrelevant cock nballs dream world..mirroring the usa and syria ****...back assad ..look at libya and i love it that no ones talking about iraq!!?! isis all over that too... putin deals in here and now politik and god i hope he smashes the living **** out of them all in syria, saudi, yemen and all the other western hating wahabi loving saudi backed usa and israel lovin cnuts imo

[Snin]

plus fbi doing proper intelligence to find stockpilers plus proper parenting, ban ritalin and big pharma abuse, allow forced termination and castration against wasters, ban use of term adhd, then take intelligence off from reading al-quadea twitter sccounts saying poor babies being killed by putin and cocnetrate on college nut jobs. ban obama care propping up big pharma, cut back on state mney, bring back nut houses.. ill sort it chief

[Bergkamp's Brain]

I encourage people to show me that their way of looking at the world is the right one and that my view is flawed.

I ask for one thing. Make sure you come to the party well armed. You cannot use the example, because it says so in [insert ideological religious book title here]. You must be able to quantify and justify all of your thinking. Do that and I will respect your view.

[Chief Arrowhead]

that you don't have to be an American - hell, you don't even have to like America - to be President. It's not too late for you to throw your hat in the ring. Snin for President?

[Snin]

of care in community, meeting,chatting, knowing whos a wrong un..is sorely missed..thats why big cities have big crime...we need community a church did bring that...we could replace it with ultimate power of course...i just need a good run at it..pol pot had is on track.. obviously to me id make it peoples commitees with no religion involved...my facist communist anarchist dictatorship would sort it.. ill knock up a manifesto asap imo

[Bergkamp's Brain]

Until you accept that you need help, you can't start the road to recovery.

[Snin]

ago democracy only works if you allow people with brains to decide otherwise fox news etc actually makes the decision..therefore in my thought process i know im clever and right..ill allow your thoughts..as long as you can think..ps i may kill you of course

[Bergkamp's Brain]

[barrybueno]

[Chief Arrowhead]

it doesn't seem that way.

Must everyone you meet that believes in God be "well armed"? When you meet someone and they mention that they are Catholic, or Muslim, or Hindu, is your first thought that they are a crackpot?

[Snin]

and iraqis...you are being simple imo..why is it guns and how exactly is it an obbsession ? russians can carry guns? look outside the box your approach is so basic. USA has grown up with a different culture, add on that meddling cia in crack dealing, anti black power,pharmacutical drugs, lack of basic police intelligence due to lowered standards of entry and militirasation of police force, no police on beat, lack of family value and social , local policicng..guns is not the issue unless you are as thick as piers morgan imo

[Snin]

destroyed by big business

[Snin]

religion is there to stay so work with it..hes simple chief..i might spout *******s tbh but its actually imo pretty good bollox..if you read between lines ...i think on that note ill have a f**kin line :hehe:

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

when other folks give up theirs I'll give up mine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x52xIaVPtdw

[Bergkamp's Brain]

Community is a good thing. We are social creatures. We want to belong. It may be through a shared interest like sports, work religion or family. There are many examples. Like all things there is a degree of perspective and balance required.

[Chief Arrowhead]

as a society, not so much.

Humans are inclined to yearn for a higher power, something beyond themselves. I cannot recall any society that did not have a belief in a greater, universal power. Hinduism has 16,000 Gods. I have a hard enough time keeping up with one.

In that context, today's secular culture is clinging to "science" as their God. Science at its core is never about consensus. Scientific consensus declared Copernicus a heretic. Science should be about truth, with a constant search for truth. There is a very real reason why those who do not believe that the climate is changing, for the worse, as a result of man's activities are declared "skeptics" and "deniers". It's language that has worked. The Spanish Inquisition and the Salem witch trials come to mind.

Atheists absolutely can believe strongly in living a moral life, and do so. As a society, there's never been an example of such. So far.

[Chief Arrowhead]

Perhaps it is the bluster of AWIM that has concealed that perspective in your posts.

[Snin]

[Snin]

And there is none bigger than the politicking of education..its the only true route to freedom and individually and whether its church or school we've all f**ked up our futre and children by screwing it up. The only true way to cross class is education

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

You know, actually tackling the issue.

[Snin]

[Chief Arrowhead]

This little back and forth reveals the problem with liberals. It makes you feel good to say "Ban Guns". It makes you feel even better to say "Ban Guns for the Children!"

How would you ban guns? Will you concede that in order to ban all guns you must confiscate all guns owned , until now, by law abiding citizens? Make the citizens illegal by legislation. It must now be enforced. Are you going to advocate storming into my house and taking my guns away? Will you threaten prison? Shall we discard the constitution?

Liberals always advocate ignoring laws or parts of the constitution they don't like. Freedom is your enemy in achieving your Utopia.

[Snin]

plus other countries have more guns..swiss, Italian , turks, etc ..its education, values, intelligence, no Ritalin, proper parenting,forced abortions and chemical castration..this will sort it out..have you seen some of these cnuts? id rather give a battery hen a gun imo..we have to accept most people are f**king thick n work with it..guns and democracy if you have brain...heavily contollled rbots for the rest

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

This is the 294th mass shooting (defined as an incident where at least 4 people receive gunshot wounds) this year.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/01/20 15-274-days-294-mass-shootings-hundreds-dead/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/01/2015-274-days-294-mass-shootings-hundreds-dead/)


So how about a stiff penalty for illegal firearms, and an amnesty on them for a period to tidy up?

[Bergkamp's Brain]

Some might say a distinction without a difference. Today's science might be tomorrow's religion. We can only go by the facts as we have them, observed or measured.

I disagree that people are looking for a higher power. I would argue that people are looking for answers, we are problem solvers at heart. What we tend to do is join the dots and infer. We are problem solvers but we are lazy and can lose interest, so we fill in the gaps. Not always the best combination.

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

Right you are, I'll be on my way.

[Chief Arrowhead]

[Snin]

[Chief Arrowhead]

the problem being that only law abiding citizens follow them. Lunatics typically view them more as suggestions.

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

Seriously. It's insane. Concealed carry? Open carry? Your country is mad.

[Snin]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/757 1713/Carlsberg-drivers-strike-over-lunchtime-beer-cut.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/denmark/7571713/Carlsberg-drivers-strike-over-lunchtime-beer-cut.html)

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

Because I think you'd find you were wrong.

The problem isn't that you don't have enough laws, the problem is you have **** laws, that don't effectively restrict firearms.

[Bergkamp's Brain]

doesn't make that sound a bit odd?

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

10,000 odd firearms deaths a year is nuts.

[Snin]

religion n death is bacon n egg imo

[Bergkamp's Brain]

[Snin]

http://www.alternet.org/story/147318/100,000_americans_die_e ach_year_from_prescription_drugs,_while_pharma_com panies_get _rich (http://www.alternet.org/story/147318/100,000_americans_die_each_year_from_prescription_ drugs,_while_pharma_companies_get_rich)

plus they are behind EVERY school slaughter..pick your argument imo pharmacnuts

[Snin]

its essential..people in swiss, Italy, turk carry similar amounts of guns..its not the guns..i go back to education

[Bergkamp's Brain]

Let's face it, referring to people as liberal or conservative a bit silly, isn't it? People are liberal about certain things and conservative about other things.

[Snin]

[Chief Arrowhead]

These lunatics are, above all cowards, that is why they seek refuge where it is against the law to carry a firearm. There are signs out that state as such. Otherwise it is perfectly legal for me to carry a concealed firearm anywhere else. If you remove the sign then the perp thinks, "Someone there might be armed". They don't want a running gun battle, they want to kill unarmed people.

That's the point of carry and conceal laws. You have to carry a license, which I have. that means I have no criminal record and I have proved to the authorities that I am educated AND skilled in the handling of my firearm.

The perp doesn't want to meet me, or someone like me. I cringe whenever I have to leave my gun in my car. It doesn't take much research for the bad guy to choose a spot.

[Chief Arrowhead]

but it's never stopped you before, so why now.

[Chief Arrowhead]

[Berni]

answer genuinely is more rather than fewer guns. Ideals aside, that is now the reality in the ground. Peace through superior firepower.

I'm genuinely impressed and instructed by just how far a truly terrible (albeit well- meant) law in conjunction with relentless myth making by the popular arts can go in order to create such a nightmare logic. Well done everyone involved.