I must say I am enjoying Corbyn’s efforts to persuade the media to not do what they have been doing

[Monty91]

since the advent or the printed press by doing everything in his power to antagonise them and give them impossible-to-resist negative front page headlines.

That will DEFINITELY end well.

[PSRB]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11866 883/There-are-countless-sworn-assassins-waiting-to-knife-Jer emy-Corbyn-in-the-back.-Is-he-ready-for-them.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/11866883/There-are-countless-sworn-assassins-waiting-to-knife-Jeremy-Corbyn-in-the-back.-Is-he-ready-for-them.html)

[Classic Jorge]

I know it's me but did he actually do anything wrong by not singing the national anthem - a song about a deity he doesnt believe in preserving a concept he doesnt believe in?

Are you an enthusiastic singer of the national anthem, monts?

[Supermac1976]

http://i59.tinypic.com/2d9snpd.jpg

[Monty91]

- even the broadsheets. To give them such an easy stick to beat him with is staggeringly stupid.

The media will not change. He has to play the game.

[Brentwood]

He might be a republican and disagree with the system, but he'll be equally hypocritical in the unlikely event that he asks HM the Queen to allow him to govern the country after an election win

Just sing it and say that it was the respectful thing to do despite being a republican

[Classic Jorge]

He's a committed republican and atheist, the headlines would have been about how much of a hypocrite he is otherwise.

The bigger issue might be the fact that the whoe media is basically owned by tax avoiding non-doms, many of whom are natural supporters of the tory party.

[Luis Anaconda]

It just seems as if he is acting like a grumpy teenager who has been told by his mum he has to wear it but by god he isn't going to do it properly. Childish imo

[Brentwood]

[Luis Anaconda]

http://www.awimb.com/fudforum/index.php?t=tree&goto=4055 803&rid=167&S=82864a4b467c7cb1286f6d4b43f1904f (http://www.awimb.com/fudforum/index.php?t=tree&goto=4055803&rid=167&S=82864a4b467c7cb1286f6d4b43f1904f)

:rubchin:

[Classic Jorge]

I think he demonstrated you can behave respectably without paying too much lip service to the charade that is our bizarre system.

And yes, all things going well, he will have to go to the palace to ask her permission to form a government on her behalf.

It'd be nice if we could change that stuff at some point though.

[Classic Jorge]

[Luis Anaconda]

[Classic Jorge]

That and the fact he actually believes in stuff

[Classic Jorge]

http://www.waydn.com/answers/wp-content/uploads/kent-brockman.jpg

[Classic Jorge]

[PSRB]

as la alludes to, he's just being a dick

[Brentwood]

being anti-monarchy and disrespectful to the BoB. Plus, he hadn't even bothered to put his tie on properly. Anyone knowing they'd be on TV would try to be as well groomed as possible. This seems deliberate.

Next, he'll probably refuse to wear a poppy

This is all in his first week on the job in his own country. Imagine the diplomatic embarassment he'll cause when he goes overseas

[Monty91]

Why should we respect that?

[Classic Jorge]

I think it's more about principles than identity, personally.

[Classic Jorge]

Mainly for the reasons stated above.

I think he will wear a poppy but it will probably wear a white one. I dont wear poppies and never have done so I'm probably not in the best position to comment but that would seem a decent compromise.

[Classic Jorge]

it's bull****, it really is.

we're weighed down by all of this stuff and, as I said above, actual real news which effects the poorest and most needy gets shunted off into the inside pages.

[Ashberto]

He probably would have got criticised if he had sung it as well.

I for one admire his refusal to sing a **** song with **** lyrics and a **** tune about how a made-up sky-being can be petitioned to provide longevity to an arbitrary and anachronistic national figurehead.

If we're going to have something refreshingly different in politics we might as well actually have something different. The pathetic sense of outrage because the fella won't toe the narrow line on something completely superficial shows how limited and meaningless our 'democracy' has become.

And The f**king Guardian even joined in the dogpile against him. So much for media plurality. :rolleyes:

[Ashberto]

You dribbling cretin.

[Brentwood]

act like leaders, He can try to be rebellious and mischevious, but we all know how it's going to end

Why not try and make a good stab at the leadership, without doing it with one hand behind his back?

Be honest, if you saw him photographed at a G8 summit amongst the other world leaders, wouldn't you be embarassed?

[Monty91]

[Classic Jorge]

If anything I'm a little bit more embarassed we have a shiny faced former PR man and intellectual pygmy like Cameron confirming everyone's stereotypes about us on the world stage.

[Monty91]

- the c**t will be out of a job in literally weeks, Clive, if he keeps this up. And what good is that to anyone? What will have changed?

"Politics has changed" my hairy Hebrew vagina :rolleyes:

[Classic Jorge]

[PSRB]

and when you're in charge THEN you make the changes to how you want things to run

[Monty91]

is the best way to help people. Corbyn and his ilk believe the best way is to disempower people by placing their hopes and the way they conduct themselves in daily life in the hands of a monolithic state. As I said the other day, the quote from his speech about poverty not being inevitable could just have easily been uttered by a Tory.

It should also be remembered that everyone – Corbyn included – has limits to the extent they are willing to help others. Where are his principles when he steps back into his million pound house every night?

[Monty91]

likeability so that enough people would theoretically vote for you. A huge part of achieving both is through superficial stuff like appearance, demeanour and way you present yourself in public.

Just as we all make impression of people on such superficial levels, why on earth would politicians – who few of us even get a chance to meet on a personal basis – be any different?

[Classic Jorge]

Especially when there's such a huge split between their rhetoric, their results and their actions.

I also dont think he wants a "monolitic state", but I'll concede his simple, social democrat views do look dangerously radical in releif of the prevailing right-wing, small state approaches of everybody else in politics right now.

[IUFG]

an effort? :shrug:

[Classic Jorge]

I do think there's enough of a groundswell of people who want something different to make it to some sort of referrendum.

Then again, I would, wouldnt I?

[PSRB]

;-)

[Classic Jorge]

Has david Cameron ever displayed any likeable or authoritative traits? Not for me, Clive.

[Classic Jorge]

;-)

[Monty91]

but it is undeniably part of what makes him appear statesmanlike.

And apart from the mild resemblance with a potato, he doesn't look that weird either.

[Brentwood]

[Witharby 2-3 weeks]

giggles

[Classic Jorge]

But I suppose, if you believe in the innate superiority of the upper class and take pride in a well tugged forelock, he looks like the sort of person who should be in charge.

[Monty91]

[Classic Jorge]

...isnt it?

And people ask me why I hate this country

[Ashberto]

to a middle ground bore-fest between two teams of managers pretending to represent different visions of society, but actually doing more or less the same thing as each other.

And we wonder why the political parties are so detached from the public with dwindling party membership and wide-scale apathy. At least, until now when a deluge of people have joined the Labour Party since Corbs's election.

[Ashberto]

[Monty91]

media onside has always and will always be essential in politics. He is not only ignoring this rule but brazenly doing the precise opposite and wilfully antagonising them.

I absolutely agree that this is a far- from desirable situation but it is not going to change, so watcha gonna do?

[Ashberto]

then we should be looking at that problem right there.

Who elected the media?

[Brentwood]

which is precisely how Corbyn became elected in the 1st place