Bad morning for Chelsea, Courtois out for between 2 & 4 months and now being investigated by FIFA

[PSRB]

over the Salah transfer :-)

[Berni]

Sometimes satire is redundant, isn't it?

[Luis Anaconda]

on another note - didn't realise the ODI was an early kick-off. Office to myself, door shut and TMS on the radio*




*t'internet really

[PSRB]

[Ashberto]

[Berni]

What I am certainly not doing is implying that Chelsea's hands are in any way cleaner because FIFA's hands are dirty. That would be whataboutery.

[Ashberto]

To point to similar examples is not to excuse but to provide context. See also: "We all do it".

[Berni]

When it is not done in the context of an argument - as here - it is not.

[Luis Anaconda]

Though I also must doff my hat to red's use of the pusillanimity further down the board

[barrybueno]

Sky Sports 2 will have to do for me :-)

[Berni]

Although 'petrichor' is another fave.

[Witharby 2-3 weeks]

then I will switch it off and play 80s disco

[Witharby 2-3 weeks]

[Ashberto]

to more of the behaviour that some consider abusive, and not less of it.

[Classic Jorge]

And, similarly, pedagogy

[barrybueno]

[Berni]

and a fruity, orotund voice for full effect.

[Luis Anaconda]

[Berni]

Unless I've been eating fermented hummus, of course.

[Witharby 2-3 weeks]

Probably one of my best years

[Berni]

[Supermac1976]

[Supermac1976]

Oh no, that was 1984.

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

[Luis Anaconda]

[Berni]

the pretentious tool he was thusly...

http://images.npg.org.uk/800_800/6/2/mw61162.jpg

...Moz took care to be pictured thus.

http://www.compsoc.man.ac.uk/~moz/pictures/moz1985.png

Top bantering literary one-upmanship by the Mancunian miserabilist there, I think you have to agree. :hehe:

[Luis Anaconda]

[Supermac1976]

[Classic Jorge]

love him as I do

[barrybueno]

60' and 70's were good tbf.

[Berni]

as the pretentiousness itself.

[Classic Jorge]

[PSRB]

[Supermac1976]

'Read Norman Mailer or get a new tailor'

FFS I'm really not sure who's worse, him for writing that ****e or me for listening. Lovely bloke though, I met him at the Sage a few years back, gets a round in etc.

[Berni]

[Berni]

This is no fun without sw here to seethe, is it? :-(

[Brentwood]

[Luis Anaconda]

I couldn't possibly repeat them though

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Berni]

And The Smiths piss all over The Jam.

There. I've said it.

[Classic Jorge]

[Ashberto]

Wine dealer in Primrose Hill. Needs to be pronounced in the Rowan Atkinson voice he used for 'Bob'.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Nor can there be a right v wrong scenario.

May I remind you of yesterday's disclosures from Sir C re: Waterloo Sunset / The Kinks in general.

Indubitably a wrong 'un but his personal choice.

For the record, you are completely and utterly wrong.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

can be no good or bad other than the subjective. At which point, everything becomes relative and S Club 7 can be argued to be superior to Beethoven.

No. There must be certain benchmarks, otherwise we simply exist in an anarchy of bad taste.

Beethoven is better than S Club 7. Tolstoy is better than Jackie Collins and - by the same token - The Smiths are better than The Jam.

[PSRB]

[Ashberto]

in this one without fully functioning ears? :hoddle:

Morrisey is a whiny, self-pitying, meat-dodging bore with flowers up his arse. And his head up his arse too, in fact.

[Berni]

However, to say they were better than The Smiths is an error. You may need to have another look at your calculations on that one.

[barrybueno]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

I was lucky enough to see The Smiths having bunked off school and went to Belfast with a mate, quite a deal in those war torn days I tell you.

But I am afraid I cannot concur. A band with 3 stone cold classic albums and many magnificent 45s, some of which never appeared on any album never mind aforementioned stone cold classic albums.

And then there is The Smiths for whom I would only rank The Queen is Dead in such company.

Morrisey's subsequent solo works don't even bear comparison. I will even be generous and allow you to factor in the works of Johnny Marr including Electronic, Modest Mouse, The The and solo.

No, you're wrong.

:judge:

Now I trust that is the end of it or god help me I will be forced to use the "FACT!" card, or even "END OF".

[Berni]

However, the output of The Smiths (and to a lesser extent Morrissey's solo work) transcend that fact to constitute some of the greatest music ever produced on these shores.

And that, my friend, is a fact. :driving:

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

No.

[Berni]

Moreover, The Smiths' music was completely original, while The Jam's was - often deliberately - derivative. The Smiths - for good or bad - went on to dictate the template of (for want of a better term) UK 'indy' music to this day, while The Jam are basically seen as a somewhat naive, dare I say one-note, post-punk singles band.

No. It's The Smiths all the way,I'm afraid.

[PSRB]

brilliant tunes and albums

[IUFG]

[Ashberto]

But the other c**t gets the credit. :-(

[barrybueno]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta4sWUOi3MU

[Supermac1976]

:hehe:

[Berni]

the limelight. And it would be a mistake to underestimate the wit, charm and knowing intelligence of Morrissey's lyrics.

[barrybueno]

See that John Inman? He beats you up everyday :hehe:

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Respecting each other's opinion and moving on.
















































































































You're wrong.

[PSRB]

quite clear from Baddiel that the rest would happily get back together and make a new series

My name's Beelzebubbley and your mother sucka de cockballs in hell

[Berni]

and conspirass theories.

I think the fact that peak oil hasn't happened is something of a blow to the poor chap

[Classic Jorge]

This is the thing I hear about the smiths all the time. Personally I find the lyrics very funny.

[barrybueno]

series might not have worked.

[Berni]

The whole thing was shot through with mordant humour and playfulness.

Even Exhibit A 'Heaven Knows I'm Miserable Now' is basically a pisstake. How can you not laugh at: "What she asked of me at the end of the day, Caligula woould have blushed"?

[Classic Jorge]

Along with 'As Anthony said to Cleopatra, as he opened a crate of ale "oooh I saaay"'

You just dont get better than that

[Classic Jorge]

The rest are in the safe comedy seats of Radio 4 or "int the [insert decade here]s greeeet" talking heads shows.

[Classic Jorge]

[IUFG]

[Classic Jorge]

They are better than The Jam

[barrybueno]

I fear they'll never rerun Love Thy Neighbour either :-(

[Berni]

[Supermac1976]

[Ashberto]

Now you sound like Rich trying to talk about football.

[Berni]

Although I'll concede it's probably not a particularly clever expression to employ in a discussion of music. :hehe: