Ok, I know knocking the Guardian is little bit an Awimb sport nowadays, but I have to say, this

[Monty91]

article is truly disgusting.

It is now beyond debate that the Guardian's fear-mongering, hate-breeding articles make it absolutely no better than the newspaper it claims to despise more than any other - the Daily Mail.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/20/sexual- harassment-women-curfew (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/20/sexual-harassment-women-curfew)

[Snin]

id put a HARNESS on it then HARASS it..come here little filly, its just a playful pat..now creep over here n let me etc

[Classic Jorge]

And are we not forgetting the whole 'difference between Guardian and CiF' thing here? They have different editors ffs

[Peter]

She doesnt necessarily mean you :-)

[Monty91]

edited?

So just like any other article written by an external contributor, except presumably with no payment.

[Luis Anaconda]

or is she on some other lark now. Jobs for the girls, trebles all round etc etc

[Monty91]

lives. Don't you?

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

You need to f**king relax a bit.

[Ashberto]

That much is fair enough. The problem is that she doesn't think she can do it without a policeman there to back her up. Not the most self-confident sort of liberation, really.

[Monty91]

People are losing their livelihoods. This **** is real, dude.

[Ashberto]

Whose lives has this woman ruined?

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

are living in fear of their virtue every single moment.

Now, experience may lead us to suspect that this isn't exactly the case, and that our correpondant is telling fibs for financial gain, or living in a different reality to the rest of the world, but either of these conclusions would be dangerous.

It is a game played by the Left for as long as it has existed. Changing people's perception of reality for the purposes of oppressing one group after another is essential to the revolution. In the words of one of their greatest heroes, 'A lie told often enough becomes the truth'.

That is why we live in such horrific times. We have been subjected to 70 years of this type of propaganda.

[Classic Jorge]

[Monty91]

from strangers. I do not think it behoves them to deal with these situations themselves. They can be unpleasant and scary.

But articles like these serve no purpose. They are not meant as a public service to heighten awareness among women that there are some nasty people out there. They are merely contributing to a culture that sees all men as potential rapists, which is a hugely damaging cultural development

[Classic Jorge]

Like how the right wing press are painting the UK as the sole recipient of all of the refugees in the world when in reality we take around a quarter of what Germany do, that sort of thing?

[Snin]

[Snin]

[Monty91]

people are losing their jobs because they are spuriously seen to have transgressed rules of equality.

[Classic Jorge]

And it's been about slightly longer than you or I. It's nothing new, it's not going to change anything. The girls who fall for this **** eventually grow out of it and regress back to their comfortable middle class lives from their temporary period of slumming it on daddy's money in hackney or whatever edgy arrondissement de jour they've been told is the coolest.

[Luis Anaconda]

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

And apart from all that, WHATABOUT WHATABOUT WHATABOUT!

[Monty91]

due, in large part, to the power of social media.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Crack on.

[Berni]

lot. Not necessarily a rapist, but a bad egg.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

https://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/piv-is-always-rap e-ok/ (https://witchwind.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/piv-is-always-rape-ok/)

[Classic Jorge]

The point I'm trying to make here is that that sort of rhetorical device is as old as the hills and everyone does it.

Maybe you should read more right wing press to alter your clearly jaundiced view on things.

[Monty91]

approaching a stranger in the street? Especially those invoving young people and alcohol?

[redgunamo]

And your mum obviously.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

continues to do, to society. If you wish to discuss the political right, that is all fine and dandy, but it is another conversation entirely.

[Classic Jorge]

You're beginning to sound awfully like an opressive cisgendered type, I suggest you “Check Your Privilege”.

Here's an online tool http://www.checkmyprivilege.com/

[Classic Jorge]

Just in a more divisive, destructive and unhelpful way.

[Berni]

[Ashberto]

#1: "Your friend's friend eats babies. That makes you BAD!"

#2: "Well, YOUR friend eats babies too. What does that make you?"

#1: "Pffft. Top whataboutery there #2! I win!"

[Monty91]

prevailing culture?

[redgunamo]

[Berni]

But if a woman lives by the rule of thumb that a man who tries to put the moves on her unsolicited and sober on the street in broad daylight when she is clearly otherwise engaged is a wrongun and best avoided, she won't go too far wrong.

[Snin]

ham court rd

[Ashberto]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Not forgetting the transes.

[Snin]

[Jake]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/11/16/2989433C00000578-3120163-Leggy_lady_Joining_feminist_writer_and_journalist_ Daisy_Buchanan-a-81_1434035109957.jpg

[Monty91]

[Classic Jorge]

I mean, his actual job is to be a clever *******.

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

[Snin]

guess that's the whole confusing part of national socialism

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

:shrug:

'The sun is shining today'.

'Well the sun shone yesterday as well!'

Doesn't make today cloudy, does it? It's irrelevant.

[Classic Jorge]

[Ashberto]

It's people like you that are ruining lives.

[Monty91]

in US academia, for equality transgressions.

[Berni]

[Berni]

[redgunamo]

preferably after dark when he's had a skinful :rubchin:

[Ashberto]

Or woman. Or trans.

[Berni]

No. She should just avoid the sort of men who try to pick her up in inappropriate circumstances, since the mere fact of him doing so suggests he is at best not picky and at worst a sex criminal.

[Classic Jorge]

I'm going to stick my neck out and say that of all the world's myriad injustices this isnt particularly high on the list.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Classic Jorge]

It'd be like getting the keys to the curing shed, hammy delights await

[Berni]

knife into him.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Man no. 1, a well known baby-eater, should expose and discourage baby eating by man no 2, for eating babies is wrong. He should also stop eating babies, but your implication is that he should say nothing due to his own culpability.

'Whataboutery' is, in effect, an argument for two wrongs making a right.

'Stalin killed millions.'

'Stalin's mass murders don't matter because Thatcher stole the milk.'

There is no logic here.

[Classic Jorge]

It's a logical fallacy.

[Snin]

[Jake]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Stalin's murders are amongst the least of the evils of the left.

[Ashberto]

And the word is popular with those who also like hypocrisy because it allows different standards to be applied to different groups or individuals.

In the example, #1 was making the initial judgement and accusation. #2 responds by pointing to #1's hypocrisy - not necessarily as an excuse (though his wrong was defined as lesser) but to show that #1 applies a different set of rules to himself and awards himself the right to sit in judgement without being judged in return.

The instinct of those who wish to judge without being judged in return gets riled by notions of hypocrisy because it gets in the way of their wish to make things up as they go along, rather than playing to a consistent set of rules applicable to all.

[Berni]

if one is perceived to support a group that has ever done or been seen to do anything questionable, it instantly negates the fact that the point you might be making about the morally questionable actions of another group may be 100 per cent correct.

In effect, it is the negation of all or any point by the simple shouting of another wholly irrelevant fact or suggestion. It was a tactic very deliberately promulgated and practised by Communist states in order to close off any questioning of their activities.

Thus: "I say Ivan, the whole gulags thing is a bit off, isn't it?"
Answer: "The British invented concentration camps"/"The Americans murdered the Indians"

It is the quintessence of playing the man rather than the ball.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

What are we, beasts?

[Snin]

attention..guilty..take her down so to speak :judge:

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

I shall repent at lesiure.

[Snin]

any reason to keep going imo

[Berni]

You are attacking your inquisitor's credibility to ask a question because - presumably - you prefer not to deal with the question itself. That is a fundamentally dubious rhetorical position.

[Classic Jorge]

[Ashberto]

not just when done by the other side, but we'll ignore it when our friends do it.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

I can see a lengthy retirement in Eastbourne, reading the Telegraph and tutting, ahead of me.

You know I love you too, j. Any time you'd care to shake off the shackles of reactionary convention, I'm happy to hook up for sweet, angry manlove.

[Ashberto]

In a sense Thatcher did us a favour, although worse than that, the milk companies took the money but gave the kids milk which should have been thrown away. Boo!

[Berni]

you call his 'friends'.

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

discussion and, once this has been halted, address the hypocritical baby-eating.

By my method, we end baby-eating in two stages. By your method we shout 'Yar boo sucks' at each other.

[Berni]

That dreadful Moran woman, for instance. Eugh!

I now realise that I should have got you a Telegraph subscription for your 50th. :-(

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Classic Jorge]

But that isnt to say that, for one fleeting moment of gay abandon at least, we cant forget them all and rut like fearsome stags in the spring moonlight.

I'll look for some motorway services in hertfordshire that has an inexpensive hotel.

[Berni]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Even Matthew Parris appears to have taken the red shilling :-(

[Berni]

Ooo-err! http://www.awimb.com/images/smiley_icons/ohwell.gif

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

at the moment of consumation :cloud9:

[Ashberto]

That is no way to conduct a rational argument.

I'm not saying that #2 wins this argument. At that point, it is still a draw. You seem to be saying that #1 wins, but only because they got their challenge in first.

[Classic Jorge]

No returnsies

[Berni]

The thing would never take my weight.

Besides, most of them don't even offer a view of the bed these days :-(

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Berni]

with another question. That hardly seems unreasonable, does it?

Were a politician on the BBC asked to justify wasting public money, would you be happy for them to refuse to answer the question on the basis that the BBC is hardly in a position to question anyone on the wasting of public money? Of course not. You'd want the question answered. However good his point about the BBC may have been, it is not germane.

[Ashberto]

a tory politician of wasting public money.

In that case you, with your views, would hardly blame the tory if his initial reaction was to laugh in his opponent's face. Not the end of the argument, but an opening reposte.

[Berni]

And, of course, if someone is being evasive, you have to ask yourself why, don't you?

[Ashberto]

My baby eaters are strategic allies and we will make representations to them through the appropriate channels. We would be mad to abandon them though. Sometimes tough decisions have to be made for the good of the country. Realpolitik.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Ashberto]

[Berni]

[redgunamo]

Great bird hoves into view; I am not going to allow that opportunity to pass just because it's broad daylight and I'm sober, now am I.

I understand your point and being prepared to take such grave social risks displays a gentlemanly sense of honour and fidelity rather better than a drunken grab and grope in the dark, I would say.

[redgunamo]

Those that are, let us say, ahead, and wish to stay there, will take one view; those "behind" and hoping to catch up, will take another.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[redgunamo]

I merely mean to say that a reluctance to probe and discuss more current issues of interest often results from feelings of bitterness and resentment of the fact that similarly weighty, crucial matters from the past have not yet themselves been satisfactorily resolved. First things first and a' that.

In a word, your mum.