Jorge, is it okay to mention the word 'desire' when talking about Sanchez's header?

[Norn Iron]

Given that he's 4 foot and shouldn't really be winning headers like that.

Great desire from the lad. (really though)

[redgunamo]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

To be fair to j, I don't think he's sugested that there is no place for these cliche'd characteristics in the game, just that other things, like skill, vision and technical ability, are also important.

At least, I think that's what he means.

[Classic Jorge]

fwiw, I do agree to an extent, and feel it's excatly the reason why Ox was dropped, despite ostensibly having a rather decent game against WHAM the other week.

b...b...b...b..but he's english! So what, he needs to get more ruthless imo.

[Classic Jorge]

My main issue with the unconscious stream of cliches is that it's somehow seen as the panacea to all footballing ills when in fact it's often a bunch of more complex factors.

Yaya Sanogo has plenty of passion etc, he just plays like someone barely on nodding terms with his legs.

[redgunamo]

Yes, boring old hard work and industry. Learning your trade, putting a shift in and so on.

[Norn Iron]

Would bring a tear to your eye

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[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

One of the great joys of football is that, on a day you feel your touch isn't quite right, your timing is off or your form is just poor, you can forget entirely about playing football and still make a contribution to the team by running around a lot; but the concentration on hard work to the detriment of all else explains a lot about the state of the national team for 40 years.

[Luis Anaconda]

While clutching his wallet?

[Norn Iron]

I think it's very underrated.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Norn Iron]

[Classic Jorge]

When he was at Udinese

[PSRB]

which invariably leads to a goal

[Classic Jorge]

[Brentwood]

[Norn Iron]

Ross Barkley used to do it all the time. So much so Hodgson criticised him in the press for it. They'll learn when and where to try and beat players.

[redgunamo]

or rather, the attitude to them is why England gave the world the game, while those that are actually good at it didn't.

Football is for everyone, not just fanny-dancing midfielders if they happen to fancy it that day.

[PSRB]

my opinion but seen enough (and heard) enough of Barkley to be convinced of that

[Luis Anaconda]

[Ashberto]

but whereas only the colonies and/or near-neighbours took to cricket and rugby, *everyone* wanted to play football. (Except the North Americans.)

[redgunamo]

for effort. Not if they are expected to get anywhere.

Just digest that for a moment.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

What a f**king disgusting football kit.