My Jeremy Corbyn action figure has arrived

[Classic Jorge]

http://www.xl-shop.com/xlshop/product_images/SIDESHOW/SIDE_OBI_WAN.jpg

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

least we won't have to put up with Monty any more.

[Brentwood]

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http://irancartoon.com/120/holocaust/index.htm

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Especially his 'friends' in Hamas and Hezbollah :clap:

[Berni]

too. They don't actually want power, they want to 'make a point' :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

[Brentwood]

power.

It's actually quite fun moaning about everything all the time for some people

[Classic Jorge]

That said, he's said a few anti-israel things but I'm sure most people with a conscience have too.

[Berni]

tories will have with it if he actually became leader? :hehe:

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

running this whole charade from Labour HQ. I mean, last night I found myself thinking that Yvette Cooper was actually talking sense, for a moment.

[Brentwood]

He's a stooge isn't he

[Berni]

compromising and doing necessary, but important stuff. Permanent opposition, however, is a God=-given opportunity to moan without ever having to actually do anything.

[Mo Britain less Europe]

[Berni]

[Berni]

judgement.

[Classic Jorge]

He refused to condemn the british army for bloody sunday, does that make him an apologist for the queen?

[Brentwood]

decisions all the time, without ever looking at it from the perspective of those who are responsible for making the decisions. Similar sort of thing. If you then said to them, OK, you can lead the project to make the decision again, I bet they'd run a mile

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

'According to the Hamas charter, Jewish people have only negative traits and are presented as planning to take over the world. The charter claims that the Jews deserve God’s/Allah’s enmity and wrath because they received the Scriptures but violated its sacred texts, disbelieved the signs of Allah, and slew their own prophets. It quotes a saying of Muhammad from a hadith: "The Day of Judgment will not come until Muslims fight the Jews, when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say, 'O Muslim, O servant of God, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.' Only the Gharkad tree would not do that, because it is one of the trees of the Jews.'

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Brentwood]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11787955/Jer emy-Corbyn-refuses-to-condemn-IRA-for-terrorist-atrocities.h tml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11787955/Jeremy-Corbyn-refuses-to-condemn-IRA-for-terrorist-atrocities.html)

Mr Corbyn refused three times to directly condemn the IRA, instead highlighting Bloody Sunday and the role of the British Army during the conflict.

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Berni]

instead highlighted British and French provocations in the 30s, what would you make of him?

[Red N White Army]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Mo Britain less Europe]

[redgunamo]

[Berni]

psychosis, I think.

[Classic Jorge]

I think the point is that he's not condemning anybody but condemning their actions.

I know what we badly need is overly simplistic rhetoric right now though so in that respect it's remarkably naieve.

[Mo Britain less Europe]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

It will do them f**k all good.

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

...sell offs?

I'm liking the furious rowing back from the telegraph right now though.

[Berni]

not at all even-handed. On the Middle East he is pro-Arab and anti-Israel. On Ireland, he is pro-IRA and anti-British. I think those are fair conclusions to draw, yes? Futhermore, his proclivities on these matters mean he keeps company with some people whose stated views and actions are likely to repel most decent people. That is not simplistic rhetoric, it is fact.

Also, you seem to have no issue with damning those with whom you disagree politically by association, so why should Corbyn be treated differently?

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Berni]

will achieve anything?

[Brentwood]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11787955/Jer emy-Corbyn-refuses-to-condemn-IRA-for-terrorist-atrocities.h tml (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11787955/Jeremy-Corbyn-refuses-to-condemn-IRA-for-terrorist-atrocities.html)

[Classic Jorge]

[Ashberto]

Both politicians stand for something outside the bland, narrow band of centre ground that is deemed acceptable. Anyone outside will be mocked and demonised.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Berni]

terrorist murderers is a fit leader for the Labour Party?

[Berni]

out for condemnation. It's the same tactic neo-Nazis adopt when they say 'The British invented concentration camps' just prior to denying the Holocaust.

[Classic Jorge]

He's pretty clear he doesnt support acts of violence, whichever side they are on. I'd say that's a pretty decent upgrade on what we've had recently with cheerleaders for airstrikes, tryants and invasions.

[Berni]

Oh, well done, Jeremy! :clap: It is awfully brave of him not to let the violent words and deeds of his friends in Hamas and Hizbollah get in the way of his consistent support for them. :hehe:

'I don't support violence'. Don't make me f**king laugh.

[Classic Jorge]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

I’m in the dark here btw, no real idea who this Corbyn bloke is or what he stands for, just what he is trying to become.

I do struggle to understand all the same how any London / UK based politician could side with the IRA now or at the time when they were active.

[Berni]

founded by people who had fled Europe following the Holocaust against non-democratic islamists. That support can sometimes be unpalatable, but is politically and morally sensible. Being Israel's friend does not mean we cannot criticise it, but equally it means that when push comes to shove, we know which side we're on, which means supporting them politically and militarily where necessary.

Corbyn, on the other hand, wants to take sides without ever getting his hands dirty or acknowledging that violence is the inevitable outcome of his little forays into Middle-Eastern politics. Instead he goes all mealy-mouthed when someone dares to mention violence - as though by mentioning that people die as a direct or indirect consequence of his interference, the speaker were in some way being vulgar or simplistic rather than realistic.

[Classic Jorge]

Or have the massacres of 18 months ago somehow been forgotten, or perhaps just written off as inevitable?

If there were a moral highground we are not on it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelectio n/david-cameron-says-israel-was-right-to-defend-itself-over- gaza-attacks-last-year-10210203.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/david-cameron-says-israel-was-right-to-defend-itself-over-gaza-attacks-last-year-10210203.html)

[Berni]

everything British. Their logic runs that anyone who is anti-British is de facto 'a good thing' - even if they're killing the working class British people they espouse to care about so much.

This has led to the left having the most extraordinary bedfellows at times, leading to a degree of cognitive dissonance that allows them to be anti-homophobic, anti-racist and anti-sexist while at the same time proseltysing for people like radical Islamists who are the antithesis of all three.

They're an extraordinary lot, lefties.

[Berni]

than throwing our hands up and professing a Ghandi-like non-violence when confronted with the reality.

Fundamentally, people like Corbyn are dishonest and cowardly.

[Classic Jorge]

Personally I'm more inclined to support the bloke who's at least listening to the people being opressed, rather than egging the opressors on and apologising for them in the most cowardly and dishonest manner possible.

[Berni]

on the side of the angels. It's a classic left-wing instinct and quite, quite wrong.

Certain people just need and deserve oppressing for everyone's good. :shrug:

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

They're lost without a good oppressing.

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

[Peter]

And then tar you all with the same brush.

[Berni]

[Peter]

Murderers.

[Peter]

And me when i was younger and idealistic.

You keep pushing and you will bring out the lefty in me :-)

[Berni]

[Peter]

Western liberal democracy indeed :hehe:

[Peter]

A bit of a mystery and i never really knew them.

Politically all i know is that they were passionately anti-racist and anti-socialist.

[Berni]

hands after WWI and dealing with the Jewish influx into Palestine was a massive headache. Even so, The Balfour Declaration was one of ours, I believe.

[Berni]

[Peter]

They ran a shop in gillespie road and were the only shopkeepers who would happily serve immigrants. Bit of a row for years apparently.

[Peter]

We are not natural and permanent allies of israel was my point. It is more complicated than that.

[Berni]

It's the idea of being passionate about it that bothers me.

[Berni]

number of significant areas.

[Peter]

They probably didnt give a f**k by the 90s :-)

[Peter]

Who i imagine jeremy is not a big fan of either :-)