Just when you thought things were **** enough they've worked out a new way of laying plane seats out

[Classic Jorge]

Well done humanity, take the afternoon off you bunch of c**ts.

http://i100.independent.co.uk/image/3430-2axdej.png

[Rich]

Imagine some fat lummox trying to squeeze out from the window seat.

[Berni]

And you don't evacuate people. You evacuate objects like buildings or planes. Evacuate means to empty out. The only way you could evacuate a person would be by removing all their internal organs.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

[Pat Vegas]

[Peter]

Its a great idea, uses the space at the front of the seat thst isnt currently used.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[Classic Jorge]

[IUFG]

:-(

[Peter]

Those people are not exactly landed gentry. Or landed gently :-)

[Classic Jorge]

[Billy Goat Sverige]

hour flight. Imagine having some disgusting c**t who eats like a pig sitting next to you and you have to watch them tuck into their sandwich :-|

[Pat Vegas]

3rd world? or council estate types?

[Classic Jorge]

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[Berni]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Pat Vegas]

I do it very well on the train each night.

Though dinner and watching a movie might be difficult.

[Berni]

The people around me all looked healthy, well-fed and prosperous, the service was efficient and got me there and back in a day on time and in one piece.

[Classic Jorge]

Sometimes you have to share a plane with people though, that's just a fact.

[Peter]

Plenty of people use them for brief trips to ireland, scotland etc. often to see equally poor relatives.

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

[Peter]

Its like an airborne episode of shameless

[Rich]

[Berni]

Cheap foreign travel is a gift that free market capitalism has given us, but such travel is still a luxury. Actual poor people don't have luxuries.

[7evens]

[Berni]

f**k. :shrug:

[Peter]

[Classic Jorge]

Of course, having spent most of my life on the fence with a pretty good view of both sides it's complete *******s but it certainly is effective in perpetuating the ****ty situation we've mystifyingly chosen though.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[Peter]

[Classic Jorge]

Been there, nearly drowned in the creek

[Berni]

The fact is that Denmark is not a big tourist destination for the lower orders. Most people on the flight were clearly either people on business or visiting friends or family.

I'm sure a flight to Marbella or whatever would be full of the most ghastly, subhuman filth, but then I'd never have a reason to go to Marbella, so I'd never find out.

[Peter]

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[Classic Jorge]

Apart from you, of course, you had to pollute the whole thing with your nasty, grasping capitalist ways.

[Rich]

massive hours week in, week out deserve to be rewarded.

Work shy, working class scrotes that think 30 hours a week or fewer in a non-skilled job is plenty enough do not deserve to be as highly rewarded as the other sorts of people.

Hard work has to pay off.

[Peter]

[Classic Jorge]

Clacton has the Merlin looking mascot won, I think. Or the one with the bear. Long time ago now.

[IUFG]

petrol for your new car, etc ONCE you have paid your rent / bills / food.

When I was a kid it meant **** like eating porridge for every meal at the end of the month...

[Berni]

version of it that is now so absurdly applied to people with Sky Television dishes sticking out of their f**king houses. Don't give me your 'poverty' bull****.

[Rich]

are mostly paid far too much for what they actually do.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[Rich]

Nurses syringe ears - not Doctors.

[Classic Jorge]

Wind your neck in and just enjoy your own good fortune, because that's all it is.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[Peter]

A few cliched, tabloid-driven prejudices.

How can you be you and think like that? Its precisely the sort of idiotic drivel you would expect from the very people you criticise.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

He's "in character", ignore the idiot.

Super rich posh boy, look at me, 10 holidays a year, maybe a new BMW or maybe a Merc as I don't appear to know the difference.

Type arsehole into your chosen search engine, or whatever it is kids use these days, and you will probably find an image of this tool.

[Ashberto]

Eat three meals a day? Luxury. Wear clothes that aren't rags? Luxury.

Although I actually consider drinking in pubs these days to be a luxury. :-( So f**kin expensive. :cry:

Seriously though, the cheap flight is the equivalent of the train to Blackpool in the days were workers finally got a bit of paid holiday. I expect you preferred the good old days of no paid holiday, a starvation wage and 8 people living in a room. :cloud9:

[Peter]

They are fine are they?

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

earning OK money, but have not been able to afford Sky TV, the latest iPhone, a two-week foreign holiday and all that stuff that ‘poor’ people seem to take as their due. Why? Because I’ve been spending it on childcare, mortgages and all that other **** that decent people spend their money on rather than on fripperies. So what did I do? I went out and made sure I earned more money so that I could afford those things.

So when I hear that some unemployed fat f**kers are on their two-week family holiday to Tenerife, but I’m supposed to consider them ‘poor’ it does tend to get my f**king hackles up, yes.

[Peter]

They may have beeter holidays than you but it doesnt mean they are happier :-)

[Berni]

access to these things. Just don't tell me they're 'poor'.

[Ashberto]

http://btckstorage.blob.core.windows.net/site3300/leysdown.jpg

http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/03/f6/53/70/harts-holiday-park.jpg

[Berni]

those without such realistic expectations.

[Peter]

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

that most of the world would chew its own arm off to have 'poverty'

[Peter]

Birthday he immedistely solved her poverty the minute she boarded the plane?

The selfish old cow. She will be getting f**king sky tv next

[Peter]

As luxury :hehe:

And come on, you do want them to be poor. f**king poor by the spunds of it.

You love it

[Ashberto]

Any disposable income = Wealth and luxury.

Glad that's sorted then.

[Classic Jorge]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03368/snaps_ids-about-ap_3368683a.gif

[Luis Anaconda]

Definite playing of the man rather than the ball in this thread

[Ashberto]

A poor person may still save up for a cheap flight, surely.

[Peter]

Indicates that they are not poor. Its total *******s. Whatever your measure of poverty it surely demands more informstion than that.

It was b that switched from discussing poverty to lsbelling various relatively mundane items amd activities as luxuries.

[Classic Jorge]

Or any of the other wons for that matter.

Personally I find the whole business a bit "You've never had it so good" to be honest.

And it's just as nonsensical and wrongheaded as it was then.

[Luis Anaconda]

which isn't really being employed here

[Luis Anaconda]

Isn't that just as wrongheaded as the We're all doomed, the evil *******s are going to kill us all rhetoric that greeted the Tory election victory

[Ashberto]

Surely it's a questionable interpretation to say that any disposable income is practically by definition spent on luxury.

Of course we could argue all day where the luxury line is. Like drinking in pubs, Sky TV is increasingly looking like a luxury as they charge me an extra fiver a month for NO CHAMPIONS LEAGUE. But is that luxury, or just expensive and not great value for money?

OTOH, isn't luxury a 5,000GBP watch or a 60k-100kGPB car (I have no idea how much new cars cost. I have never bought one)? Or first class air travel. Or a big house?

[Luis Anaconda]

Picked up a new anthology of short stories edited by George RRRRRRR Martin at lunchtime - boasted that it had new Games of Thrones story in. Needless to say it was hidden at the back of the book and was the shortest story in there

[Berni]

around you. By that definition, poverty can never be eliminated other than by ensuring that no-one has more than anyone else. By contrast, my contention is that living standards have improved to a degree where there is almost no such thing as poverty in the developed world, there is merely having less than other people, which is not poverty.

[Classic Jorge]

A loaf of bread costs a penny in the developing world but it costs 1.50 here. That's not anything to do with the relative merits of the bread, it's not less of a loaf of bread in mogadishu just because it costs a different amount.

[Ashberto]

[Luis Anaconda]

[Berni]

to eliminate poverty by increasing the general wealth of the population are futile, since all that will do is raise expectations and shift the boundaries of 'poverty' upwards? Such a definition of poverty sounds a lot like envy to me.

In other words, in a few generations, you will take someone who considered himself not poor because he and his family had clean water, enough to eat, feed, heat and clothe themselves and his son or grandson will consider themselves poor because they can't afford to run a car. Now to me that sounds like enormous progress, but to you it seems to represent a crime of capitalism.

[Classic Jorge]

firstly, this whole idea of progression is a nonsense. Of course increasing the general wealth of the population will not eliminate poverty.

Poverty is defined, and it's a pretty standard definition, by people not being able to afford the basics in life (stuff like housing, heating, food, clothing, transport, education, health) it's quite simple really.

The more wealth in society is a red herring, it's all relative but f**k all is still f**k all whether a pound is worth a penny or worth 100 pounds.

The idea that capitalism equates progress is nonsense as between the wealth being created and that wealth "trickling down" to the bottom of society it has already been eroded by inflation. Hence f**k all still being f**k all.

The only way to effectively eleviate poverty is to put in place social programmes to mitigate the worst of it such as social housing, an effective health service, adequate welfare, affordable public transport, funded education etc etc.

[Berni]

greater it? The creation of wealth and its taxation means we can have healthcare, education, social housing, welfare support, etc - all of which have served to eliminate poverty. At the same time, free market capitalism has actually driven down the cost of consumer goodsand services (such as airline flights) as providers compete - allowing the 'poor' to have access to an array of consumer goods unavailable to their forbears and to most of the rest of the world. These are things that simply didn't happen in non-capitalist societies because there was no competition and therefore no incentive to improve production efficiencies to cut cost. That is how capitalism benefits all.

So for you to pretend that the lesser beneficiaries of this process are 'poor' is simply nonsense. They are not. They simply have less than their peers which, as I keep saying, is not poverty.

[Classic Jorge]

consumer goods are just distractions, hence them not being considered in poverty definitions, and not essentials like housing or food etc.

The overly simplistic capitalist mantras like markets driving down prices and competition creating only good, are fallacies. Markets can just as easily drive prices up, create catastrophic crashes and wreck societies.

I dont see how someone not being able to eat, clothe or house themself can fail to be anything other than poverty.

[Berni]

seen to that.

[Classic Jorge]

[Ashberto]

than defining luxury as running all the way down from a six-bed mansion in leafy Rickmansworth with over a quarter of a million quids worth of car parked out front, all the way down to ownership of a television set and a cheap flight to a cheap hotel in the sun once a year.

I am not saying that being relatively poor is poverty. Others might be, but I'm not. But neither does being relatively comfortable compared to absolute poverty make one wealthy.

[Ashberto]

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

[Peter]

Then you really are a ****.

Stupidest thing you have said all day, perhaps the stupidest thing i have ever heard you say.