Kerplunk. Remove the wrong straws and the marbles all drop. A simple child's game.

[High Quality Kick and Run]

Looking at the gut- wrenching sight of those poor people spending all to cross into Europe out of North Africa, and the tremendous hubris of the African spring and downfall of Sadam and Gaddafi is clear.

Politics in this election gave had almost nothing at all to say about world affairs. We have Russian gunboats in the channel and nothing. We have carnage on Europe' s borders and nothing. we have our old 'Allies' play terrifying dynastic politics and nothing.

This nation has become one of people of increasingly petty insularity. Shame on all of us.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

establishing and maintaining a viable security force, which we apparently lack the means or will to do.

Dad's Army, anyone?

[Classic Jorge]

which we also apparently lack the means or will to do.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Sorry, but :hehe:

[High Quality Kick and Run]

Home corps and be given a range of patrol, guard, and policing type duties.

This country needs a whole new vision. A new purpose. As Rod one said, a reason to believe...

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

navy and air force, and close co-operation with the US - because if and when fighting is required, it will be us and the US doing it, while our European 'partners' consider the matter over coffee and croissants in their unelected droves. If past form is anything to go by, they will eventually deign to send 6 Dutch doctors and some French cooks.

[Ashberto]

[Pokster]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

What on earth are you talking about? Silly man.

[Ashberto]

Oh well, we can always nuke 'em, I spose.

[Pokster]

and as you say, they have decimated our armed forces over the last 5 yrs :shrug:

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

It is not a matter for you. You worry about who you'll vote for, and I will concern myself with who I vote for.

[Pokster]

obviously if i am incorrect I apologise

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

military and security services briefings to the Joint Chiefs of Staff and their subsequent recommendations to Cabinet.

Could you fill me in further please, a?

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

You should also apologise for being an evil banker who stole all the money from the food banks to give to your masters, the Evil Zionist Konspirass :jorge:

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2282/2071720646_ebd59fa0bd.jpg

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Lie down and let the baddies in, whilst wringing your hands about how 'it's all our fault'.

[Classic Jorge]

I know you're on an afternoon of WUM but this is basically your usual level of discourse so it's morphing into life very much imitating art.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Good afternoon to you.

[Ashberto]

Same as they knew what they were doing in Iraq and Libya. We had this conversation before Libya.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

to make a decision, right or wrong. We know f**k all, really.

[Classic Jorge]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Pokster]

apologise at once you Tory voting loon

[Ashberto]

Whose idea was it to smash up Iraq? The Joint Chiefs of Staff or Tony Blair? Whose idea to smash up Libya? DaveyC, I believe, not some advisors in the MoD. I'm fairly sure that's the direction that the chain of command works. And people at the top of large organisations are notoriously poor on detail.

Politicians do these things because attacking foreign devils distracts from their impotence at home.