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View Full Version : Interesting post in the comments section on Spiked in response to an article about the heemasex



Monty91
04-15-2015, 02:30 PM
marriage referendum in Ireland

"At some point it will need to be acknowledged that the Enlightenment dream of the separation of religion and state has been a failure. Locke and Hobbes’ vision of a society where morality is a private matter which is dealt with in civil society whereas the state is in charge of morally
neutral issues of government was never an attainable goal simply because the difference
between the secular and the religious is largely fictitious (why are declaring war or the definition of marriage considered secular issues?)
Whilst governments remained small and circumscribed to a few tasks like policing or key public services, the separation between secular and moral seemed possible but with the advent of big government and its encroachment on almost every conceivable aspect of people’s lives via social workers, city planners, equality or environmental officers and so on, the illusion that the state can remain an impartial administrator that is not in the business of determining what is the right way to live one’s life is no longer possible.
We are now approaching an era of complete state theocracy. Unlike the Middle Ages, where power was shared by monarchs, the aristocracy and the church, all power is now concentrated on the state. The new religion is that of equality/environmentalism/relativism. It has its own saints (suffragettes) it follows a salvationist narrative (the world was ignorant and unjust but equality and human rights will redeem us all) and just like Marxism, to which it owes so much, it promises paradise this side of the grave.
The new statist religion will do away with democracy as it needs to deny the will of people to make their own moral choices (this referendum, like European ones, is a farce, the law will eventually be passed whether people want it or not) and needs to eliminate all traces of tradition either by co-opting cultural institutions like marriage, which will render them meaningless, or by PC policing of language or behaviour.
It’s the same cultural vandalism that the world witnessed in the French and Soviet revolutions and like these, it will eventually collapse under its own absurdity but in the meantime it will continue to grow.
It’s a great irony that the liberal dream of the separation of powers has given birth to this monolithic monster, but the law of unintended consequences is usually the fate of all master plans for society"

IUFG
04-15-2015, 02:33 PM
an executive summary perhaps?

Monty91
04-15-2015, 02:38 PM

IUFG
04-15-2015, 02:38 PM

the splendor of antigone
04-15-2015, 02:45 PM
everything is permitted' i.e. if we deny any transcendent authority etc. etc. paradoxically we don't get ultimate moral vacuum of ruthless egotism and so on, but rather the inverse, i.e. 'if there is no God, then everything is prohibited'. Atheist liberal hedonist society in which people dedicate their lives to pursuits of pleasures, but because there is no external authority that would ensure a space for these pursuits, they get entangled into a thick network of self-imposed politically correct regulations as if a superego -- much more severe than that of traditional morality -- is controlling them.
They get obsessed by the idea that in pursuing their pleasures they may humiliate or violate others' space, so they regulate their behavior with detailed prescriptions of how to avoid harrassing others. Not to mention the no less complex regulations of their own care of the self: regiments of bodily fitness, health foods, spiritual relaxation and so on. Indeed, nothing is more oppressive and regulated than being a simple hedonist.

the splendor of antigone
04-15-2015, 02:51 PM
probably engaged in ethnic cleansing etc. They felt exactly this, i.e. the exactly the opposite. Modern hedonist liberal society was not a society of too much freedom, but way too restrictive and regulated. They couldn't even beat their wives, they couldn't rape a woman, steal and so on. And becoming a nationalist was precisely a means of false liberation. Then they were free to exercise those 'non-oppressive' urges.

Monty91
04-15-2015, 02:56 PM
by waving bacon in their stupid big nosed/burka-clad faces.

the splendor of antigone
04-15-2015, 02:58 PM

Monty91
04-15-2015, 03:00 PM
when I told him I hold religious people in utter contempt. His main gripe was not that I was wrong to do so, but that by doing so openly I might upset them.

Pfffff.

the splendor of antigone
04-15-2015, 03:03 PM
there you're allowed to engage in all sorts of real nasty business. Especially if I go Catholic, I can abuse little boys* :-)


*I merely mean sexually

DG (socialist surrender monkey)
04-15-2015, 04:21 PM
having to vote on allowed 2 people to marry

who gives a f**k; let gayers get married and they can be as meserible as the rest of us

Supermac1976
04-15-2015, 05:06 PM
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/04/06/ky-governor-gay-marr iage-ban-isnt-discrimination-because-it-applies-to-straight- people-too/ (http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/04/06/ky-governor-gay-marriage-ban-isnt-discrimination-because-it-applies-to-straight-people-too/)

Ashberto
04-15-2015, 10:28 PM
It is not the fear of God that gets people to behave, as in fact many people will take their chances with the almighty, and rape and pillage at will. What makes them behave is the fear of the State.