I am officially f**king bored of the election now.

[Berni]

I'm actively avoiding anything about it on telly and just want it over.

There is simply no good reason for the campaign to go on this long. Anyone who doesn't know which way to vote by now is f**king clueless and shouldn't be allowed to vote anyway.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[Winston Wolfe]

People in London wanting to vote for the SNP :rolleyes:

Would be interesting if after all of the adverts for people to sign up to vote that some complain they weren't allowed to yet votes mysteriously counted.

Would be impossible to prove of course.

[Pat Vegas]

will there be dancing on the streets if the labrador patty get erected?

[Classic Jorge]

I'm starting to think my Tory insider is right, no majority and back to the polls in November

[Berni]

box. They have no understanding of anything that isn't presented to them in X Factor terms and should just be sent home from the polling station with a biccy and a cup of tea.

[Winston Wolfe]

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

That said, I'm not really sure the tories are actually trying to win this one.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Never failed in the North.

[Classic Jorge]

[Snin]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/politics/poll-tracker

[Berni]

There isn't actually much point making too much running three weeks out.

[barrybueno]

[Peter]

[Peter]

Will bottle it at the last minute.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[Peter]

Locally i may offer some help but again, pointless. Labour has no chance here.

[Peter]

:-)

[Brentwood]

[Classic Jorge]

He's done incredibly well to get his poll ratings down to a roughly Fred West level

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

they're going to vote Tory.

You also have to take into account that the Tory vote always comes out in close elections, while Labour supporters (being feckless, common, idle and in many cases young) often don't.

All in all, I still wouldn't rule out a Conservative majority.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

For the record if you came to my door you would be summarily dismissed with a flea in your ear. You would be lucky if I even opened the outer door to engage with you.

[Peter]

Maybe offer you a drink. :-)

Maybe....

[Berni]

[Peter]

Could have won this. The manifesto is good, the campaign has been quite good. The leader is borderline unelectable.

[Peter]

Rather than a leader. Parts of the message are not right. I dont like the constant 'if i am your prime minister'..... 'As your prime minister i would' is better.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

So based on Berni's description of Labour voters you already have us, so no need to campaign.

Stands to reason really with Labour being in coalition power here.

[Classic Jorge]

Especially as you have to dissolve parliament, name candidates, get out campaigning and launch manifestos.

Also, it's a useful buffer to guard against political actions by the civil service who are under purdah rules.

[Peter]

Also for people to get bored of their single message.

[Peter]

[Berni]

Scousers are just shantytown Irish, after all.

[Berni]

threatening to vote Green. Are these people insane?

[Snin]

as hes such a geek and press make him out to be a muppet so people feel embarrassed to admit it.

im going to vote for the friendless geek though..best of bad bunch and they ll the same anyway..bunch of cnuts to a man

[Peter]

You and your cock might struggle :-)

[Classic Jorge]

There's nothing the english like as much as a good tug on their forelocks as their noses touch the ground.

This manifest pledge of his, with the housing association stuff is utterly awful. It's basically going to mean the axe comes down on the councils, but I suspect they'll find a way to bankrupt a few evil housing associations along the way too.

Unfair, uncosted and terribly thought through.

[Berni]

[Peter]

:hehe:

[Berni]

[Peter]

And they are constantly walking into the 'unfunded' attack. Labour are casting themselves as the party pf financial prudence.

Poor campaign so far from the conservatives. Really underlines what a dickhead cameron is.

[Brentwood]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCish8kWMAAc-z_.jpg

[Berni]

They just scribbled some old **** on the back of a Rizla packet and called it a Manifesto.

[Peter]

[Berni]

I don't know how you can stand them.

[Peter]

And that is enough for me.

And i spend very little time up there and virtually not time at all in the city itself. Some of the suburbs are lovely.

[Classic Jorge]

I know they don't want to come off as negative but they should really redress the balance. It beggars belief that a chancellor who's borrowed more than every labour government combined, missed nearly every target he set himself and who has presided over the longest recession in history gets a free ride.

Even worse, they allow this "Labour got us into this mess" message to go out unchallenged too.

[PSRB]

f**k off already

[Classic Jorge]

I've had to point out to a couple of them that I'm not in their bloody constituency.

[Peter]

The labour counter attack should be the eu. It is the one area where labour has a clear and positive message and the tories are in real trouble.

It is hugely ambitious and risky but if you force the eu debate to the centre you make it labour v ukip and cut the tories out of the debate. This can hugely eat into their vote in a hundred seats, enough to tip a major balance.

But very risky indeed.

[Jake]

[Berni]

They have basically reclassified themselves as an ethnic minority, with all the self-righteous victimhood the adoption of that term implies.

[Peter]

[Berni]

wrongly. Making themselves the party of Europe may not play as well as they think.

[Classic Jorge]

And that goes for the EU too, where Cameron has hardly covered himself in glory.

Anyway, I don't know why I'm arguing for labour, it's not like I'll vote for them.

[Peter]

In my experience it is total *******s.

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

I mean, there's obviously the frothy mouthed lot that do but it does seem that most people recognise it for the force for good that it is and the benefits we get from it.

[Snin]

[Jake]

I'm fairly certain he'll be back.

[Peter]

It is easy to sell to an electorate...look, you want a strong lead on eu membership, for or against. The tories refuse to lead on the issue.cwhichever side you land on, this is unacceptable and you simply cannot vote for it.

I could spin that :-)

[Berni]

After all, you only stop a referendum if you think there's a chance you'll lose.

[Peter]

Particularly when you are a lone voice against a coalition. Free reign to rip into them both.

[Berni]

And there are lots of Labour heartlands where immigration is not seen as a positive to say the least.

[Peter]

[Peter]

And cameron ducking for cover. He needs thst at some point in the election, desperstely.

[Berni]

[Snin]

:-)

[Snin]

http://www.martindurkin.com/blogs/nazi-greens-inconvenient-h istory (http://www.martindurkin.com/blogs/nazi-greens-inconvenient-history)

[Classic Jorge]

I mean, won't somebody think of the markets in all this?

[Peter]

They vote for their own on f**king x factor for f**k's sake.byou cant discuss politics with people like that.

[Peter]

You only allow it if the outcome os the only way of getting through what you want.

Or in cameron's case because if he moves in either direction he splits his own party and vote. He has no choice but to hide behind a referendum. And that referendum will be terribly embarrassing for the tories whatever happens. I almost want to see it.

[Snin]

europe or leave ( ukip) not just say vote for us and get another vote ..tory..its wishy washy pathetic..you vote for the party and its policies. you cant have vote for us then we will ask you on all ourdecisions ? weakness and madness

[Jake]

[Classic Jorge]

Ordinarily, at least. Of all of the things we could have a referendum about, this would not be one.

[PSRB]

that it's about the safest Tory seat in the country and feels sorry for the other parties

[Supermac1976]

[Snin]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Party

think he was only in the euro ones tho.. if i see him on the list again ill probably give him a vote

[redgunamo]

[Berni]

you' that so many people resent in the political establishment.

My attitude towards a referendum on Europe is simply this: I was born in 1973, when this country voted to enter the Common Market. In the intervening 42 years, that Common Market has changed fundamentally into something nobody voted for that has gradually eroded, supplanted and overridden our laws and constitution. I have never given my democratic assent to this and neither has anyone else. Meanwhile, of course, none of the mainstream parties has ever offered the question of Europe as being something that is even up for discussion until now.

This has all meant that there is a fundamental democratic deficit inherent to our membership of the EU that makes its right to govern us at the very least questionable. Give people a vote and you draw a line under it - it either is or is not assented to. Whichever way it goes, the result of the referendum must be respected and, should we carry on in the EU, it is at least with our explicit consent.

I fail to see how that is 'a waste of time'.

[Berni]

of our EU membership until now. I'm not going to vote for UKIP because they're not a serious party, have little or no politcal experience and have other policies with which I fundamentally disagree. A referendum is therefore the only sensible way to confer legitimacy on our membership of the EU.

[Peter]

Suddenly the voice of the people is everything.

f**k off, b. you are going to have to do a lot better than that :hehe:

[Snin]

people on here are too stupid to be allowed to vote...they talk crap on football forums ffs

[Berni]

they're not (and the Labour Party rather relies on that principle, I'd have thought), you can't suddenly say they're bright enough to vote for a Labour government, but not bright enough to vote on EU membership. So which is it? Do you or don't you trust the electorate to choose for themselves?

[Snin]

[Peter]

Of adopting a 'we know best' attitude?

Accepting the democratic right to vote doesnt equal passing the buck to the electorate whenever a tough decision comes up. Nor does it equal the right to vote on every decision...and there are millions of them.

Yes, you could argue that eu membership equates to something entrenched in our political system and our citizenship. You could say the same about lots of things. Why no referendum on the monarchy,vthe house of lords, the voting system.

It isnt about the principle of the right to vote.

[Berni]

Simple: because there is no significant public desire for a vote on any of them. There is on Europe.

Oh, and we did get a vote on the voting system, remember?

[Peter]

I dont really oppose the idea of a referendum on the EU. I suppose i fear that we might vote to leave and thst is the wrng thing to do amd certainly i dont like using referenda. On this particulsr topic even i accept there might be a case for it.

My original point was that labour have actually taken a positive stand on europe and they should celebrate that and make the other parties confront it. The tory position is a cop out (evem if you agree with it) and shows a lack of leadership.

Thank god the electorate get a choice on it. If they want their referendum they can vote tory.

Of course, that doesnt mean you will actually get a referendum :-)