Note to the haters -players still in European competition...

[Luis Anaconda]

http://www.ligainsider.de/images/player/big/nicklas-bendtner.jpg

And he scored :cloud9:

[Supermac1976]

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/bundesliga/209673/danish-maga zine-pay-to-make-lord-nicklas-bendtner-an-actual-lord.html (http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/bundesliga/209673/danish-magazine-pay-to-make-lord-nicklas-bendtner-an-actual-lord.html)
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/bendtner-certificate-lord.png

[Classic Jorge]

Or are you telling me the danish press were duped by some grasping, duplicitous, money grabbing little scotch in desperate need of feeding his heroin, buckfast and battered goods habit?

[Winston Wolfe]

[Berni]

http://www.arsenal.com/assets/_files/images/mar_13/gun__1362581060_parlour1.jpg
http://www.drugs.com/health-guide/images/205879.jpg

[Classic Jorge]

I can't look at that for long enough to get my canister arrraanhnd it

[Berni]

Ray Cyst. See?

Believe me, that was about the least offensive picture of a cyst google images had to offer. :-(

[Supermac1976]

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/drug-thugs- attacked-man-with-sex-toy-1-3714960 (http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/crime/drug-thugs-attacked-man-with-sex-toy-1-3714960)

[Classic Jorge]

That's the Nigerians*
















*let there be no doubt that this post was made in jest and, if I did offend anybody than I sincerely apologise for any offence caused. However, I have just had over 42 millions of your (insert currencies here) deposited into my account and for a low, low payment of just three thousand (insert currencies here) I can share this with you.

[Classic Jorge]

"But when the homeowner told them there was no drugs in the house the pair turned on their victim with violent Gandy threatening to poke out his victim’s eye with the large knife."

[71 Guns - channeling the spirit of Mr Hat]

amusement...especially as he was working over there back then.

[Classic Jorge]

[71 Guns - channeling the spirit of Mr Hat]

the racialist old bat.

[Berni]

[Berni]

and slashed in the face - the paper has seen fit to let his friends and neighbours know that he owns a ***** enlarger. :-(

Insult to injury doesn't begin to cover it, really.

[Classic Jorge]

I think it was interviewing Les Ferdinand, Director of Football at QPR, with him saying he'd only been offered one job in 13 years.

I thought it was a little GCSE level, basically. Great for the sort of people who wanted a bit of confirmation bias for their innate distaste of foreigns though, I'm sure.

[Berni]

The Rotherham and Victoria Climbie stuff was incredibly damning.

Dismissing it as GCSE level or confirmation bias fodder is both ludicrous and totally blinkered.

[redgunamo]

[Classic Jorge]

I gave it the benefit of the doubt but I wanted to watch Veep.

Also, I'm not really sure what multiculturalism is, or for that matter what the alternative is. It does seem like more cultural ignorance is definitely not the answer and, as far as I'm aware, that's what the problem has been in a lot of those cases.

I also struggle to see the differences with the Climbie case and Baby P, apart from the obvious racial ones, of course.

[redgunamo]

not know what multi-culti is is just another way of saying "Let's not talk about it."

He now sees this as a big problem.

[Classic Jorge]

You can be as 'culturally sensitive' as you want but if you don't know anything about stuff then you're just as ignorant as the next racist.

[Snin]

[Berni]

By insisting on protecting or preserving cultural difference, you are in effect always preserving minority cultures from the normative influence of the overwhelming majority culture.

In action, such a policy inevitably mitigates against the values and mores of the majority culture in an effort to celebrate and shore up the minority culture. In other words, however well-meaning a doctrine multi-culturalism is, it is always going to mean loading the dice in favour of one group rather than another. And, whenever you load the dice, someone loses. And in this country, it is poor white people who have lost most.

[redgunamo]

Personally, I put it in the folder marked "Nice Work if You Can Get it."

[Berni]

country for centuries or even millennia, it suddenly behoves them to be curious about - or even interested in - the culture of some people who have just arrived in the middle of their society and seem remarkably uninterested in blending into it?

[Classic Jorge]

The fundamental problem is inequality and lack of social mobility, you can stick as many well meaning band aids on it or positively discriminate all you want but someone will always lose out until a genuine effort is made to inject some meritocracy into proceedings.

Speaking as a po' white kid, of course. And one who saw plenty of positive discrimination bestowed on my peers of other ethnicities.

Still, let's not forget that it's incredibly useful to have factions in the lower orders. It uses up all of their energies fighting each other. Given this, I doubt it will ever change, much like everything else.

[Classic Jorge]

Also, I meet plenty of people who are more interested in integrating into this culture than I've ever been.

To say "they don't like to fit in with us" from deep inside a safe little white enclave is a bit rich, or Rich even.

[Berni]

The lower orders will always fight among themselves because there are so many of them with less to go around - it's just maths.

Unfortunately, society is a zero sum game in so far as no-one can win without someone else losing. Resources and opportunities are finite, so any largesse in one area is bound to deprive someone else.

[Classic Jorge]

And don't forget, I'm pretty much as little of a fan of this 'diversity' *******s as it's possible to be

[Classic Jorge]

And anyway, however finite the resources there's plenty to go around, people just need to understand that, to make the world a better place, they need to break a bit off once in a while.

[Berni]

Suffice to say that if someone is living in the north of England, but retaining the intellectual, social, sexual and moral outlook of a village in Bengal, then they are not fitting in in any sense.

[Classic Jorge]

That goes for people on all sides.

The world is a truly global place now, maintaining some sepia tinted idea of cultural mores from half a century ago is simply pointless. Not only does that person lose out, society as a whole does.

I still don't know what the alternative to multiculturalism is, especially given we have such a multitude of cultures anyway.

I might have got the whole Britain thing wrong, god knows I often do, but isn't it literally a country built on a multitude of cultures anyway?

[Berni]

retain what they have acquired rather than give it away. Any attempt to buck that fundamental aspect of human nature is doomed to be both tyrannical and ultimately to fail.

[Classic Jorge]

It's only the greed of some people that directly results in the deprivation of others.

The real tyranny is in perpetuating and apologising for it.

[Berni]

society and milieu in which they felt comfortable. Then, government imposed waves of immigration on them that effectively destroyed that milieu. In its place rose a completely different type of society shaped by the immigrants. Those white people who then yearn for their old society are told that they are racist for wanting to go back to it, but ask themselves why the immigrants aren't considered racist for insisting on living in the type of society they prefer. Thus does multiculturalism operate a double standard and load the dice against the majority, indigenous culture. Do you see?

And of course we're formed from lots of cultures, but there has traditionally been a unifying idea of homogeneity - a sense that 'Britishness', whilst hard to define, was something we were all largely signed up to. I don't think that's the case anymore.

[Berni]

If you tell me you're prepared for you and your family to take the cut in lifestyle, infrastructure, amenities and whatever that it would require to bring the people of the Central African Republic to an equivalent standard of living to ours, I'm afraid I simply don't believe you.

We're all complicit in the greed of which you speak.

[redgunamo]

Multi-culti is a great distraction and the alternative is a million Rio Ferdinands and Ashley Coles pouring out of the urban underworld and applying that same hard work, discipline and skill to all the other professions we would rather keep for ourselves and our kids. Imagine if they all learned to speak and dress and behave properly, clogging up the best schools and colleges and jobs and so on.

A few will always get through the net, of course, and m/c, race, gender issues even is an excellent place to put them to keep them out of our hair. Premier League football is fine too as they get rich and therefore don't significantly affect the overall picture. If you can also get them to join the chorus on their retirement then so much the better.

[Classic Jorge]

My family, at least the english bit, lived in London for generations and saw influxes from every corner of the island an its empire. Mining communities up north saw influxes from Ireland, Scotland and even France, the low countries and Scandinavia. They came, they spent a couple of generations being different and then they integrated eventually.

This idea that they were ever comfortable with the situation, or it was in any way stable is a strange construct. I'd also debate the fact they felt they'd signed up to anything, they were subjects who were subjected to stuff. That was their lot.

I understand your reading of multiculturalism and, as I've said, I kind of agree with it. Especially as someone who's been, as andy would say, "in and around" it.

I still don't see what the alternative is though

[Classic Jorge]

I'm not even sure it's you, for what it's worth

[Snin]

[Berni]

Our friend in the Central African Republic would look at your Jaguar, my Passat, our various houses, our computers, tellies, iPads, Wi-Fi and cushy jobs, our first world education, healthcare and utilities and suck a thoughtful tooth (if he's still got one) on the subject of 'too much', I would suggest.

[Berni]

Port cities aside, the rest of the UK's urban centres were pretty much ethnically homogenous and stable from the Industrial revolution up until the 1960s. That's a f**king long time to get used to a way of life and makes it all the more of a wrench when that way of life disappears in what is - historically speaking - the blink of an eye.

[redgunamo]

and delightfully energetic ways of making that plain. Probably involving a machete.

[Classic Jorge]

The point is that there needs to be an alternative for multiculturalism, whatever multiculturalism actually means.

The real underlying problem is, and has always been, inequality. If we gave every one a decent chance at achieving something we give them the impetus to at least contribute to society, and thus integrate without duress or compulsion and in a useful, meaningful and natural sense.

I'm not asking for everyone to be the same, that's a fantasy, I'm asking for everyone to be given a fair crack of the whip in life.

And if that sense of fairness, that sense of decency, that idea that you can make anything of yourself if you put your mind and back into it isn't truly the essence of what it means to be british then perhaps I'm in the wrong place.

[Classic Jorge]

The country itself is a direct result of waves of immigration.

Fleeing protestants would be a prime example. Bradford had a massive influx of germans, so much so that it still has a district called Little Germany.

With the industrial revolution there was a massive movement of population from the rural areas to the cities, and with that came immigration from other countries beyond just the welsh and the scotch, who anyway brought their own cultures and practices too.

It's a fictionalised idyll and a dangerous conceit to say that, before windrush, we were just one homogenous mass of white englishness.

[redgunamo]

And they're probably not encouraged to either. Or discouraged from trying to be British.

[Berni]

ethnic applecart in any significant way, though, are they? After all, in a generation's time, they will be basically indistinguishable from their indigenous chums and subsumed within the society. And I was taking the movement from rural into urban areas into account in my timeline.

I'm afraid comparing what has happened in somewhere like Leicester or Bradford with such relatively small-scale migrations is simply not valid. The changes wrought have been immense and traumatic for many of the white population.

[Classic Jorge]

Which would point to them being recognisably of a krautish persuasion

[Luis Anaconda]

I mean the sins of the fathers and all that but quite frankly whitey should f**king grow a pair

[Classic Jorge]

of Bradford's population that are Muslim, and trust me there's not a massive amount os Sikhs or Hindus either.

There's obviously an element of the indigenous - largely irish and, ironically, polish heritage - people up here that would blame their situation on "The Parkies" but that lets the people who are actually responsible for the situation nicely off the hook.

See, the divide and conquer strategy in action.

[redgunamo]