The important issue of last night.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Did the voice c**t on ITV make that bit about the deliberate back-pass up?

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Has to be a deliberate pass or touch by the opposition in order to make an attacker onside.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

In so much as he was offside from the original kick. No idea what he was waffling on about with the whole intentional back pass *******s.

[Monty91]

It makes absolutely no sense.

[Nicosia Gooner]

[Monty91]

would not change the fact that Kos was offside :shrug:

I don't even understand what he COULD have meant.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

was in an offisde position when the free kick was taken or if it came off an Arsenal head and not a Monaco one. He made up that rule, and he seemed to actually believe it.

[Luis Anaconda]

which it blatantly isn't when an attacker gets the ball unintentionally from a team mate

[Monty91]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_ 11_offside_en_47383.pdf (http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/afdeveloping/refereeing/law_11_offside_en_47383.pdf)

[Luis Anaconda]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Last night was possibly the first ever time, certainly if not ever then first in many years, where I watched an Arsenal game on ITV.

The commentator was 100% sure of his statement as he returned to it a few minutes later to confirm what he had said.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

'A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent, who deliberately plays the ball (except from a deliberate save), is not considered to have gained an advantage.' (my emphasis)

It would appear that Clive is right, Clive.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Rich]

confused at the time.

Are we positive that it has to be deliberate from the opposition player to be counted as onside? This could be a little-known about rule which virtually never comes into question.

Of course, the referee gave it offside because he thought it came off an Arsenal player, but that's by the by.

[Luis Anaconda]

the background noise was Irish folk music and a very loud Canadian though so not all good. I may have over-indulged. This morning is not my most productive

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[Monty91]

I need to see illustrated examples.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Luis Anaconda]

-led organisation. Wd to the Roland Rat- discoverer imo

[Nicosia Gooner]

the initial free kick and therefore I refuse to believe that Kos would be offside from a defender's flick, no way. Offside is only from a pass from your team mate, end of.

[Berni]

[Pat Vegas]

[Luis Anaconda]

in is called offside - where is the pass from a team-mate there?

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

shootbang and mummy will be so pleased! But if the ball only bounce off the badman in your direction by mistake, then the flaggyman will waggle his stick and you will poo your nappy again :-(

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

It's quite clear. Clive was right.

[redgunamo]

pitch can be deemed to be deliberate.

This understanding is at the root of all sport, which is why collies chasing sheep is fine, whereas bullterriers doing the same get shot.

[Luis Anaconda]

I am cursed, b - this one is a Bayern/Liverpool fan to make matters worse

[Berni]

It really is a terrible name. Presumably it comes from Clive of India?

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

It's just one of those names.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

personal inconvenience.

Don't mention it.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Hmm.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

I don't like your tone all the same.

Strike 1.

[Pokster]

or he was in an offside position when the ball was played from the free kick.

He would have been OK if the defender was deemed to have headed the ball back deliberately towards his keeper

[Bergkamp's Brain]

at least nothing I could find.

It appears that mouth c**t was doing exactly that.

[redgunamo]

I don't think the laws are meant to protect defenders from **** play.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Why do I bother?

[Billy Goat Sverige]

level with the last man, the defender goes to clear it in which time Sanchez is now beyond the last defender, defender f**ks up the clearance and it bounces off his thigh into Sanchez's path.

That's not offside is it?

[Rich]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Bergkamp's Brain]

[Bergkamp's Brain]