Following the 'Middle class' bit below, have you been socailly mobile?

[Witharby 2-3 weeks]

I see myself as moving from 'Call the midwife'' to 'Keeping up appearances''.

Poplar maisonette to Semi-detached in a medium sized village.

Still working class though (He says whilst eating Corned Beef)

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

A foreigner cannot be working or middle class, and neither can his children.

[71 Guns - channeling the spirit of Mr Hat]

[Witharby 2-3 weeks]

They may not agree with you.
Anyhow, we are all immigrants

My view tends to be it goes more with education these days as money in no measure of class

[Witharby 2-3 weeks]

Interesting as you would have though the titles would lead to the opposite

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

before you. You may think you are middle class now, but you are most assuredly not. You are what your great-grandfather was. The only time your family will change its class will be when one buys his way into the upper echelons - then 3 or 4 generations on, you will become upper class.

Recent arrivals simply have no stake in this system.

[71 Guns - channeling the spirit of Mr Hat]

[Monty91]

Hampstead?

[Berni]

Upper working/lower middle class, in other words.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

How the English would have laughed at the idea that they were of any class!

[Classic Jorge]

I'd imagine working class people see me as middle class and middle class people see me as a "dreadful common person".

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Finchley. It's Finchley, mate.

[Classic Jorge]

You're one of the most class bound people on here

[Supermac1976]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

I see you as a dreadful common person :thumbup:

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

The emergence of the Irish Catholic middle classes was certainly recognised by the English post Catholic Emancipation.

[Witharby 2-3 weeks]

My eldest sister had a Midwife from Nonnatus and my Grandmother was in some Dickensian poorhouse due to my Great Grandfathers debts.

The fact I live in comfort does not stop me eating cheese and Crisp sandwiches and dropping my haitches far too often for my wife's liking.

I would say that up until the 80s you were probably correct, but now it has all be blurred by filthy lucre and increased education.

Middle classes are still Doctors, lawyers etc but they can come from all sorts of backgrounds these days, even Poplar

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[Berni]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

social class - it's more a result of being a reasoning, sentient human being :shrug:

[Monty91]

[Classic Jorge]

No offence taken

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

We're talking about England, the civilised bit this side of Wales.

[Classic Jorge]

Though the cache that N4 might have nowadays wasn't what it was when it had its own gang signs either.

[Witharby 2-3 weeks]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

There's a first.

None taken. :thumbup:

[Witharby 2-3 weeks]

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

they're as good as said English.

It doesn't wash. Not for a second.

[Classic Jorge]

[Witharby 2-3 weeks]

:-)

[Supermac1976]

[Berni]

English catholic converts. Absolutely the most dreadful people in the world. I'd have them all shot.

[Witharby 2-3 weeks]

wrong if you mean social climber, but fine if you go for go getter.

[Classic Jorge]

That said, what the f**k though, just another example of a messy, unequal and frankly ridiculous constitution that enshrines the worst of our history it is. That's just a small example of the mentalism of it.

[Witharby 2-3 weeks]

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

negative thing, j. I'd argue it's a pretty major plus in our constitutional history, really.

[Witharby 2-3 weeks]

[Berni]

However, he is a cut above northerners, carrot crunchers or people from the Midlands. And superior to a Welsh, obviously.

[Classic Jorge]

Quite simply nobody should be excluded from a job, or anything else, on the basis of their religious beliefs. A proper constitution and bill of rights would sort that out.

The fact Blair was a catholic and had to keep it on the lowdown was ridiculous, or at least the fact he had to keep it such was.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

on St Patrick's Day? :hehe:

[Berni]

disestablished immediately until it gets its act together.

As to your contention that no-one should be denied a job based on their religious beliefs, I would have to disagree. If some f**ker holds beliefs as part of their religion that are incompatible with the society they are proposing to govern, then they should definitely be excluded. Some Papist who thinks contraception and homosexuality are mortal sins has no business as Prime Minister in my opinion. And the same goes for Muslims or any other religious freaks.

[Berni]

Honestly, when did Australians start being racially sensitive? It really doesn't suit them.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

of an outdated stereotype.

[Classic Jorge]

If people can divorce their beliefs from their job I don't see it as a problem. It's certainly discriminatory to have the rule solely about Catholics though.

Also, presumably on that basis a Zionist should also not be allowed to hold the office.

At the root of it all we should have a fundamental separation of church and state.

[Berni]

[Luis Anaconda]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Berni]

There is no legal bar preventing Catholics being Prime Minister, by the way. They just can't advise the Monarch on Ecclesiastical matters. The same difficulty would arise were Miliband to become PM, since he is a joo and thus covered by the Jews' Relief Act of 1858 making the same provision.

[Classic Jorge]

I knew the jewish one was fudged, when did they fudge a solution to the catholic one?

[Berni]

And that is a provision of the Roman Catholic Relief Act of 1829.

[Classic Jorge]

Thanks for the info

[Witharby 2-3 weeks]

[Luis Anaconda]