These ISIS chaps are pretty ****e at organising bungee jumping imo they should have licence revoked

[Snin]

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/03/04/article-2978890-264E9A2500000578-199_964x436.jpg

[Ashberto]

FOR ETERNITY.

Though this would probably mean that I would be alongside them roasting in the flames of my own deficiencies, but there you go. :shrug:

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Virgins all round, brother.

[Snin]

:rubchin: :-)

[Snin]

[Ashberto]

[Ashberto]

and then each other there will be peace.

[Snin]

:-)

[Classic Jorge]

Maybe everyone should go baha'i

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/bahai/

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

buildings. Honestly, walking through the West End is a dangerous business these days.

I carry a great big umbrella though, which is fine for fending off the falling benders but doesn't protect you from inaccurately thrown rocks which should be more carefully aimed at those damned adultresses.

Don't you think?

You're absolutely correct. All these religions are just as bad as each other and 'IT'S NOTHING TO DO WITH ISLAM'.

:hehe:

[Monty91]

[Snin]

with his inheritance and got it sea freighted back to laos..got wasted for a week then said goodbye and went back never to be heard from again..he said he'd married a chiefs daughter so the tractor was for the village..and they all loved him...probably ate the poor cnut imo

[Snin]

[Snin]

[Classic Jorge]

Within two years he was dead.

[Classic Jorge]

Hopefully not the one they cooked him in though

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Don't forget all those priests standing in pulpits every Sunday the length and breadth of the UK demanding we hack non-believers' heads off with fruit knives.

Also, it's all our fault, the West is bad, and so on.

[Snin]

[Snin]

[Classic Jorge]

I would've though too, given what he did to win the war, that you'd understand that he wasn't exactly treated very well.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

That doesn't mean that we shouldn't object to people being thrown off buildings.

[Monty91]

Feel free to choose your own metric

[Snin]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Classic Jorge]

[Snin]

[Berni]

that there may be one or two problems associated with Islam and its manifestations?

Is it really so hard to grasp the idea that pointing out that there are other bad people out there does not make Islamo-fascism any better?

[Classic Jorge]

How far has Christianity moved on? Probably not a great deal.

How far have we come as a society? A fair old way, though I think it's worth recognising we're apparently considering rolling back a lot of the fundamental rights we've finally been granted by leaving the EU.

[Snin]

buts its nothing to do with religion ..nope

[Monty91]

that were it any other religion that was perpetuating violent repression on the scale of Islam, then Sir Charlie would be any less critical.

Do you believe that?

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Oh yes, that's a 'western' religion, and therefore bad.

Silly of me.

These atrocities are being carried out by adherents to a religion, specifically and overtly in the name of the religion, aided and abetted by the silence and implied approval of millions of so-called 'moderate' members of the religion. From Rotherham to Raqa, **** is raining down, and there's a common thread throughout.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

but now it makes me feel dirty.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

And try not to dribble. Good lad.

[Snin]

mongering evil cnuts who feed off hatred of each other to grow and defend themselves..its almost like Dawkins has a point ?! in my mind they all piss in same pot and most would behave in same way when given the chance...look at the lords army in africa, christians in Croatia and serbia.. ISIS , blackwater , etc.. men and women at heart are evil dogs imo

[Berni]

difference between objecting to kids being raped and damning an entire religion', would you not point out that the fact that such things are repeatedly and systematically occurring and having a blind eye turned to it as a direct consequence of that religion's doctrines, structures and manifestations might point to there being something fundamentally wrong with that religion and the thought processes of its adherents?

Because I would. :shrug:

[Classic Jorge]

I've not defended Islam either, I'm broadly against all religion as it's just another system of control.

That still doesn't mean I'm prepared to damn a quarter of the world on the basis of the actions of some utter nut jobs.

As I said, none of the Abrahamic religions could ever with a straight face claim to be a religion of peace.

[Snin]

mindless over simplifying drivel about just spouting same old generalisations and tired **** about islam thats all..

[Classic Jorge]

if you said that catholicism was a religion of pederasts I'd probably point out that it's also responsible for pretty much all of the great art in Europe up until about 1750.

You know full well that your average Joseph or Mary in the street, devout as they may be, have no control over what the Pope says or does as he's technically infallible.

[Berni]

adherent to the Church in the light of what we all know about that Church and the malign and corrupt influence it has had in any number of areas is worthy of derision, suspicion and not a little contempt. I don't see why Islam should be any different.

[Classic Jorge]

He refuses to ever accept criticism of his own side, lest it contaminate the shade of his arguments with anything other than the deepest black or the purest white.

I'm sure it's all rhetorical, of course

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

I apologise for failing to engage with you, but I'm afraid I'm tired of emerging from the midst of your spittle-flecked rants with only a vague idea of what you're trying to express beyond 'every c**t is as bad as every c**t', which is frankly about as simplistic as it is possible to be, and reading your 'sentences' is like subjecting oneself to a physical assault.

I've got enough **** in my life trying to keep the islams from the door without trying to decipher your tirades.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

their consequent actions. No different in Islam. The culture of Islam is rotten to the core and it therefore manifests itself in all manner of vileness.

[Classic Jorge]

I still think all this "aiding and abetting" stuff stinks of some McCarthy-esque, Tebbit Test like them and us attitude though.

You guys should visit a mosque some time, they love a bit of this sort of badinage.

[Ashberto]

[Ashberto]

Obviously I would be thrown off sooner for refusing to bend the knee.

[Classic Jorge]

"The culture of Islam is rotten to the core.." I mean, FFS.

Like there's one homogenous culture that covers a quarter of the world. You know there's not and even if you didn't you could make the transposition that Christian cultures and practices are widely different, based not only on the flavours, styles and doctrinal influences but also on geographical and sociological influences too.

[Berni]

If they're questioning Islam, then great. However, there are many more who aren't and they're the ones we have to worry about.

The tenets of Islam are profoundly reactionary and incompatible with western liberalism. Ultimately, there really is no getting away from that.

This idea of picking and choosing the bits of the faith you like is a very modern concept and not one that Islam offers any room for.

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

That seems harsh.

[Classic Jorge]

I sometimes get the feeling people are wanting to build islam up into this giant homogenous malevolent enemy because they secretly yearn for the return of communism.

[eastgermanautos]

[Berni]

Organised religion dictates and to some extent defines the culture in which it exists. That is its role. Indeed, given that it has an entire legal code associated with it, Islam does that more than most. There are basic ideas in Islam that - however you try and dress them up - are repellent to the modern mind.

So yes, rotten to the core. And when ideas are fundamentally rotten, they infect the minds of what might otherwise be lovely people.

[Classic Jorge]

I know ****, barring a general interest in theology

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

pity, charity, tolerance, a refusal to judge and empathy.

However, the Catholic Church - and many Christians in my experience - have very little interest in any of that ****.

[Berni]

pretty frightening, I'd have thought. Compare those levels of sympathy with or at best ambivalence to violence or willingness to fight against their own countrymen with any other religious or ethnic group and it tells me very clearly that there is a real and serious problem with Islam in the west.

http://comres.co.uk/polls/bbc-radio-4-today-muslim-poll/

[Ashberto]

of whether Islam as a political thing is compatible with western liberalism and enlightenment values.

[Monty91]

Is it really evidence of the ingrained and deep-rooted problems of Islam?

Surely the fact that many non-British muslims share this sympathy tells you that it is driven not by theological beliefs but by anti-interventionist and anti-imperialist sentiment?

[Berni]

imperialists among the non-muslim population, but few if any of them are advocating or supporting retributative violence. Only the muslims are doing that. My conclusion, therefore, is that the problem is with Islam and its adherents.

[Monty91]

[Monty91]

encourage them to understand they must adapt and fit in, ranging from gentle nudges in the right direction such as banning the Burkah in France all the way through to sending remote control robots over the Middle East trying to kill the really stubborn ones.

What more can we do?

[Berni]

the fact that 24% of those polled believed that acts such as the Charlie Hebdo killings were justified by those blaspheming against the prophet. Equally, the fact that 45% disagree that those clerics preaching that violence against the west can be justified are out of touch with mainstream Muslim opinion is a bit of a blow to those who believe in 'moderate islam', I'd have thought.

[Monty91]

[Berni]

[redgunamo]

The key difference is that *our* evil, hate and warmongering pays for itself. And everything else too.