The story about the three girls who've gone to Syria. There's a lot of blame being thrown around and

[Billy Goat Sverige]

i've read that Cameron has said the airlines need to do more to stop them (young radicalised individuals) going to the middle east. Surely we want all these radicalised imbeciles to go there and hopefully die in battle?

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

care to protect them from such silly decisions.

It's a tricky one, though. Outbound border controls are amongst the most illiberal measures a state can impose, in effect turning your country into a prison from which you must receive permission to depart. Don't like that at all.

[Pat Vegas]

[Classic Jorge]

Rendering a person stateless isn't going to help matters.

Also, "subject"?

[Pokster]

but that then opens a can of worms

[Snin]

dumb bints..no loss to anyone..f**k em..kill em..as no doubt Isis are doing right now

[Pat Vegas]

before hand he'd say I am going for a piss and I'll meet you outside.

He used to take ages. got fed up waiting for him.
I asked him what took so long.

He said he has a whole ceremony of cleaning his ***** after using the toilet.

:shrug: I didn't ask anymore.

[Snin]

saying how ****e it was, how nice we've been, how they now have lovely flat in a gated community with big tv's.. film lots of segments so we can keep showing the ads in middle east for years.. then take the f**kers round the other side of the green screen and mow the cnuts down with machine guns..worthless stupid waste of space fundamentalist cnuts dont deserve to even breath same air as me imo. especially fighting agaisnt my buddy assad . cnuts

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

fighting for an enemy power; I see some difficulties with defining IS or Al-Qaeda in such a way, but I would rather that the big-brains in the justice department sort this stuff out so that returning 'fighters' might be arrested on arrival and prosecuted. Their behaviour is, to the layman, treason.

We're all subjects of Her Majesty, I believe. That is the law. You might not like it, but there it is. You have the option of trying to change the law, or you could move, obtain citizenship somewhere that suits you better, and revoke your UK nationality. :shrug:

[Berni]

decision. The fact that they've clearly just made the worst decision of their lives is - in the larger scheme - neither here nor there.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

You know how they overthink this ****.

[Pat Vegas]

[Pokster]

to bugger off and ruin their lives forever??

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Pat Vegas]

I will still replace it though as it's old. but I haven't been making as many trips as I had been the first few weeks.

[Berni]

radicalised and whatnot, I hardly think it right that the buck should then be passed to the government.

[Classic Jorge]

Nonsense on a mass scale imo, allowing people to go abroad and kill for one army and not the other is duplicitous hypocritical rubbish.

On the "subject" thing. Tell me about it. The funny thing is that they are insisting on calling us citizens for the most part now.

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

but not as an enemy of one's nation?

You think that's ridiculous?

How odd.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

enemies of this country and thus criminalise anyone who has been involved with them. You don't have to be too picky about it imo. Just check out the outfit, beard length and tendency to say things like 'Allah hu Akhbar' and lock 'em up.

Old Wotsertits Chakrabarti will have a **** fit, but lock her up too, I say.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

On the other hand, if it is indeed the case that one may fight for an ally but not an enemy, why would you think this odd?

One's allies are on one's side. One's enemies are, well, one's enemies.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Berni]

is. Apart from anything else, changing that would be an unfair restraint of trade for mercenaries.

[Berni]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

It's the jew thing again. :rolleyes:

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

Two sets of barbarians it's apparently cool to fight for as they're our mates

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

and invading the USA.

I really don't know what you're talking about.

[Classic Jorge]

Obviously lots of jews do, but there you go

[Berni]

What metric are we using for barbarianism here?

[Berni]

I really don't see what's so difficult about that, tbh. :shrug:

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

How would your Jag get on without petrol? Hmm?

As far as I'm concerned we should have used the first Gulf war as an opportunity to push on through the middle east, taking Saudi Arabia and actually stealing their oil (that thing we're always accused of but never do.) I suspect you might have found yourself on the side of the Saudis in thei situation, though.

[Classic Jorge]

Basically lets stop everyone fighting for foreign armies, there's enough violence in the world already.

If you want to allow it, allow it across the board. You can't pick and chose the barbarisms you're OK with.

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

You really must stop advocating war if you want to come off as a man of peace.

You'll be claiming we should've "turned it into glass" next

[Berni]

For f**k's sake, you don't think Churchill and Roosevelt thought Stalin was a natural bedfellow for them, do you?

[Pat Vegas]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

would have been absolute nonsense.

Freeing 50 per cent of the population from oppression, toppling a horrible, murderous regime, stopping the spread of Wahhabbism and the funding of terrorism and securing the West's energy resources for a generation is, even for a man of peace, a somewhat compelling argument.

Who knows how many lives we might have saved in the long term?

[Berni]

actually killing them. So you can understand if perhaps they feel that inviting them around for tea might not be a goer, can't you?

[Classic Jorge]

I'm not sure they would take kindly to both Mecca and Medina being in the hands of non muslims, OBL started most of his crusade on the basis there was one air base on the peninsular

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Remove Saudi funding and propaganda and support would wither in a generation.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

General Patton was right on the money there.

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

when Truman showed him his great big bomb.

[Berni]

No, for that you need chaps with guns, I'm afraid.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Berni]

than putting Johnny Russki back in his box, isn't it? By the time they woke up to how stupid they'd been, it was too late and the buggers had the bomb.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

evil imperialism can actually be, for 50 years.

It must be said that individual Americans often strike me as a little, how can I put this, simple? Perhaps this hold true collectively, as well?

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

be jelly and unicorns and NO BLANCMANGE and a bit bouncy castle!

This is like the CND argument. It's a little short term.

[Berni]

neglect to mention their abject failure to prevent the bloody thing happening in the first place.

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

every last jew in Israel' thing. That sort of complicated?

[Berni]

be a good start. Difficult to sit down and have a reasonable chat with chaps who are forever threatening to genocide your ass imo.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]