Is it my imagination or do IT people hate web people with a passion?

[Classic Jorge]

I mean, I understand this could be due to the soul crushing nature of their job and the fact they have to deal with r'tards who can't switch their computers on but why do they have to be so beastly to us?

We're on your side IT Guys, we're prepared to even overlook your insistence that ie6 is still a viable browser and your weird adherence to Blackberry, why do you hate us all so much?

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

'Computers' were supposed, were they not, to make industry more efficient. They were supposed to be tools to enable industry to create more and sell more, more profitably. Such a tool, one supposes, will require a degree of maintenance, so given that the tool enables us to dispense with rooms full of typists, it would seem acceptable to pay a couple of lads with oily rags to keep the tool working.

Instead, we've ended up in a situation where the tail is wagging the dog. Industry has to do business in a manner that suits the tool instead of the correct way round; and, even more bizarrely it seems that every second person you meet is employed in an area to do with these computery things - all paid for by industry.

It's gone mental. No one cares about the product, or the customer, everyone is obsessed by the system, ot the website.

I think all computers are communist and I won't allow one into the office, that's for sure.

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

[Classic Jorge]

It's amazing just how many big company's IT teams are awful, backward people who consider any sort of connectivity a massive and unpalatable security risk.

And the whole idea that web people are somehow these overly commercial, unskilled and lack the sort of right-on software engineer is a joke too. We're generally enabling much more cost-effective, open source transformative projects whilst the IT departments are still happily forking out 30k licenses to companies to use outdated GIS software.

[Pokster]

a couple of weeks ago

[Classic Jorge]

The only bit where you are very, very wrong is the bit where you compared it to communism. It's a very apt microcosmic representation of a capitalist system where you're hemmed in by the service and licensing agreements of massive capitalist concerns who actively discourage flair, innovation and agility.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Cousins nicked it after the war when my father came here.

The *******s stole my inheritance, p :-(

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

than five minutes. They are, of course, consumed by an inferiority complex because they are incapable writing a lick of code themselves

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

It seems to me that a computer is a piece of paper, a pencil, and a filing cabinet, but cleverer. How did it get to be in charge?

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

of Razzle and dodgy tax returns?

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

'tax returns' :hehe:

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

What should it do?
"Whatever I want it to do".

They also have no idea how complicated it is to keep it simple, and will deliberately try and cut complexity out of a project to try and simplify things, then use brute force and workarounds to mash the cases they couldn't be arsed to think about when they ordered the software into a system that wasn't designed to cope with them.

['Neg]

which can be customised to no end to perfectly suit a business' requirements, like Sir C and customer-focused messiahs such as yourself suggest. This is of course a brilliant idea.
I wish I was dead.

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

everyone's destiny and all others are, to a man, cvnts.

[Classic Jorge]

Do the IT people resent the way we make things look nicer?

We're supposed to be on the same side but these guys are so often the f**king breaks on anything. Any simple project gets looked over by the 50+ short-sleeved shirt with a tie c**t who has an MCSE qualification from 1994, and who's default mode is disengage, and he nixes it on the ground that he doesn't understand it. Of course, he can't admit that he doesn't understand it so he mumbles something about "security and compatibility issues" and the rest of the middle management blackberries around the table nod sagely whilst repeating the latest buzzword.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

It's just computer stuff.

[Classic Jorge]

I very much doubt that, if you replaced the word "cloud" with "some place on the internet that sort of exists", people would be quite so up for it.

[Classic Jorge]

It's very frustrating when a business culture is so backwards and narrow minded.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

'reactionary'? :cloud9:

I've made a decent living from such a condition, j :-(

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

I work for a company with about 1000 employees in Denmark, around 20 subsidiaries and sales offices wordlwide with probably another 500-1000 employees (mostly sales). We make machines for blood testing.

I work in the global IT department. There are about 35 of us. Around the world there are probably another 5 IT employees.


Everyone else is designing, making, marketing, selling, accounting, lawyering or directing. Everyone of them is using computers every day- from the factory floor to the boardroom.

We support everything from business critical manufacturing processes to accounting systems to standard office tools. We also build their websites.

40 of us.

[Brentwood]

Then somewon comes up with a fancy name for it and it becomes the next big thing

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Take a week's notice.

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

deciding what colour the f**king thing should be.*































*They'll change their minds a minimum of three times underway, so make sure you don't hardcode it.

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

Hang on, I'm a progressive, aren't i?

[Brentwood]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

I thought you were a plumber.

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

You're a marketer.

[crazy dog]

you wouldn't be able to read all that stuff on your kindle FACT

[Classic Jorge]

This aggression will not stand, you hear me?

[Brentwood]

[Pokster]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Shouldn't you still be lunching with your fellow computerlayabouts?

[Classic Jorge]

RIP Yahoo Pipes :cry:

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

Compatibility is an issue though.

If you have validated software, that's liable to be inspected as part of an audit from a regulating authority for your industry (e.g. the FDA for my company) then anything that appears as simple as a quick upgrade requires a huge amount of effort and documentation.

It's not that IT actually likes early IE versions, we hate them. But we know that we have a gazillion systems that have been validated on IE f**kbucket, some of which are business critical, and none of which the system owners want to re-rest.

[Brentwood]

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

[Classic Jorge]

Seriously, it's mostly just laziness. Not so much workshy laziness but the sort of laziness of thought.

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

academics and she enlightened me to the higher education grant system ( still had it back in the min 90's ). So I went off to Uni and did a Comp Sci degree.

I still do all of my own plumbing and heating of course.

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Sad scenes all the same.

[Brentwood]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Any bright kid coming out of school these days knows their way around a computer.

Could any of them fix my non-functioning radiator in the kitchen? Could they f**k.

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

What's its IP address?

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

The advice I have been given, similar to the advice one gets 90% of the time from an IT Helpdesk, is to basically switch the f**ker off and then back on again.

Albeit do similar to all the other ones in the house.

[Brentwood]

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

[Classic Jorge]

Sorry, just getting in on the **** punnage

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

[Brentwood]

http://a.tgcdn.net/images/products/zoom/noplace.jpg

[Classic Jorge]

[Ashberto]

Upgrading stuff that works only increases misery.

[Classic Jorge]

Insisting systems run on that and that only as a compatibility model is like insisting cars are powered by steam.

[Ashberto]

Also, it takes about 14 years to get a system working properly so it's a always a shame to have to start all over again.

[Classic Jorge]

OK, so ie6 doesn't support png transparency, svg animations, child selectors, query string injections of dynamic properties like usernames, most of CSS3 and bundles of jQuery either.

The web has moved on

[Ashberto]

I was just playing. My IT manager won't even allow me the tools and access I need to do my job properly for security reasons, so I do sympathise really.

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

Are you ready to upgrade all the PCs?

You'll have to get new MS Office licenses as well, obviously.

[Nicosia Gooner]

of IT processes are the ones who will never progress.

Business people don't need to understand anything IT at all, all they need is a system that will eneble them to do their job better and its the IT responsibility to provide that.

But they must work as a team because that is the only way to deliver a system that satisfies the business requirements.

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

that didn't know what the f**k the job they were supposed to be doing was, or what business requirements the system they were ordering had. We can only offer you tools that improve the processes of your job if you know what those processes are.

[Nicosia Gooner]

should never work on the basis that users are IT experts

I agree 100% with everything you said