Sir C as I was saying

[Dorset Gooner]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31530840

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

A European war between nuclear powers? I'm not convinced Putin is that mental. I could be wrong, of course,

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/russian-nuclear-bomber- planes-fly-off-west-coast-of-ireland-as-british-typhoon-figh ters-scrambled-30949988.html (http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/russian-nuclear-bomber-planes-fly-off-west-coast-of-ireland-as-british-typhoon-fighters-scrambled-30949988.html)

They want to be careful f**king with us.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

When those nasty Russkies start dropping lead on Dublin we're going to have to sort them for you, aren't we? :sigh:

[Rich]

ago where Putin flew two Tu-95 bombers straight through the English Channel was a rarity. I understand that he usually sticks to more open areas.

Anyway, I'm not really sure why he bothers. It seems a pointless exercise for all concerned. Did you see we had to summon HMS Tyne to see of some Russian battleships in the channel last week?

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

10 of which are helicopters and 1 of which looks like a model or something you and your chums would buzz around the skys of Kent in.


http://www.military.ie/en/air-corps/fleet/

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

You'd think that after making such a fuss about being independent, you'd do something to secure that status.

[Rich]

Well equipped to defend the skies of the Republic?

[Pokster]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Fighting in the skies, all a bit silly really.

[Rich]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Pokster]

[Pokster]

[Rich]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Let the USA and UK taxpayers pay for everything. We're alright Jack.

[Pokster]

so why pay a fortune when it isn't really required :shrug:

[Snin]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Glad will certainly be invited for the craic.

[Snin]

dirty crossing feckers :hehe:

[Pokster]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

I believe their troops and planes use Shannon on an almost daily basis.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

They are not squawking.

[Luis Anaconda]

I always imagined he just got in a rowing boat and shouted "Down with that sort of thing" every so often

[barrybueno]

Many good men were lost to keep that dump and now we're at it again?

[Rich]

Or do we presume they use their own internal radar to steer clear of Captain Smith in his B7378?

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Of course, as far as Snin is concerned, Putin can do no wrong.

[Berni]

British. They made no pretence of neutrality.

That said, there were plenty of die hard Anti-Treaty men who made no secret of sympathising with Germany. Equally, Dev's rather ostentatious efforts to be seen as neutral were pretty distasteful at times, I'll grant you.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Sympathisers and apologists. Imagine what a squadron of Liberators based at Shannon could have done for Atlantic convoys? The blood of how many British sailors stains Ireland's flag?

[Luis Anaconda]

although since he was played by a Canadian in the film we could blame them

[Supermac1976]

[Berni]

and Britain could have done nothing to protect them. Even if they had, to essentially make yourself a vassal state of Britain just 20 years after independence would have been politically impossible to sell to the Irish people. Churchill supposedly offered the six counties in return for use of Irish ports, but there is no f**king way he could ever have delivered that and the Irish had f**k all reason to trust Churchill anyway.

All in all, it was all very unfortunate, but I do think the black nd white English version of the story is rather simplistic.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Plus ca change

[Snin]

over arab peninsula and pakistan, they also enter pakistan air space regularly without permission.

NATO entered Libya and serbian airspace a lot without asking and iraq..and not just entered but dropped lead as you put it

turkey does it

israel does it

http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june272012/syria-defence- sc.php (http://www.salem-news.com/articles/june272012/syria-defence-sc.php)

every country does it..so im wrong am i ? :rubchin:

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

We were discussing the actions of the Russian Air Force and the UK's response to that. You have now started talking about the actions of other countries which are militarily engaged in war zones. You might as well add some story about your milkman, for all the relevance it has.

Do you get your news from Russia Today?

[Snin]

[Snin]

[Berni]

British troops on Irish soil for any reason at all would be a near-impossible sell for any Irish government now. In 1940 it was simply unthinkable. No government could have done it even if they'd wanted to.

You also have to bear in mind that in 1940 it looked unlikely that Britain would win the war. Given which, what Irish government in their right mind would have thrown their lot in with Britain and suffered the potentially terrible consequences to no good end? It would have been a wildly irresponsible thing to do.

You have to bear in mind that the primary concern of an Irish government was - rightly - the welfare of its state and its people. That cause would in no way have been served by breaking neutrality in Britain's favour. Purely from the perspective of a small, defenceless country sitting in the middle of a world war, the Irish government's decisions were the correct ones.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

I knew you were on their side really.

[Snin]

second putin tells me to unleash my arsenal as hes coming to save us from faux democracy run by the bankers and civil service for a good old fashioned hardcore state imo.. cant wait till all the old establishment locked up on trumped up ***** charges.. ill hunt you down and have you turned into soap :-)

[Snin]

out of respect to you and your loved ones past and present...some people have no class or respect imo

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[barrybueno]

you are way ahead of me

[Berni]

The British are so pleased with their narrative that all their interests coincided with right and civilisation and all that jazz that they tend to forget that the picture looked a bit more complex for others at the time.

[Snin]

mmmmmmmmmmm im wearing compression my new shorts / pants today..my butt looks bloody lovely if im honest..its for my slight groinstrain but you should get some amazing imo ..might get the vest too then no need to exercise anymore

[Snin]

ill get my coat

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Snin]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61WTfl4H90L._SL1000_.jpg

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Yu3B1MM3L._SL1000_.jpg

nice huh ? :titsup:

[Snin]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91k3p5yx-qL._SL1500_.jpg

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[barrybueno]