So there I was, nursing a Sunday evening hangover while gazing blankly at the telly, when I find

[Berni]

myself confronted with what I can only describe as the most dreadfully characterised, simplistic lefty propaganda I've ever seen - all masquerading as drama. I then find that this pisspoor piece of agitprop was written by notable Labour supporter JK Rowling and was appearing on the 'politically neutral' BBC, which means that I have paid for it via the Licence Tax.

I'd be outraged if I were in the least bit surprised.

[Classic Jorge]

Those bloody lefties, always on about the armed forces and the hereditary monarchs.

[Dorset Gooner]

which could have been a Labour manifesto. However, I couldn't help thinking that the characters being portrayed as right wing Tories were actually quite correct in their thinking. I wouldn't want scumbags like that in my nice village.
Also doesn't it make perfect sense to move the food bank nearer to those that need it? :shrug:

[Dorset Gooner]

[Classic Jorge]

[Ashberto]

That was seventy years ago.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Suboptimal this morning.

[Berni]

cheese on toast. I eventually turned the thing off and watched a film about the invention of the vibrator that was reasonably amusing instead.

Where/why were you getting pissed?

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

A visit from the poove. I should know better than to allow such things on a schoolnight.

[Berni]

World War?

You know that that's rather what a state broadcaster is supposed to do, don't you? If you don't want those things, let's get rid of the state broadcaster. I'd be happy with that.

[Berni]

Doesn't he know how easily led you are? ;-)

[Classic Jorge]

This whole right wing kvetching about how lefty the BBC is pathetic

[Berni]

It's not really up for debate.

http://biasedbbc.org/quotes-of-shame/

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

'A Freedom of Information response obtained by The Commentator website has revealed that the BBC buys more copies of the Guardian than any other national newspaper. Nearly 60,000 copies of Rusbridger’s rag could be found in Beeb buildings between April 2010 and February 2011, over 10,000 more than the Daily Mail. That’s despite the Mail having a circulation approaching ten times that of the Guardian.'

[Classic Jorge]

[Red N White Army]

http://theconversation.com/hard-evidence-how-biased-is-the-b bc-17028 (http://theconversation.com/hard-evidence-how-biased-is-the-bbc-17028)

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

anti-Israel books. Just saying, like.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Had The Commentator lied about the numbers, one would have expected a rebuttal from the BBC, surely?

[Ashberto]

spoke of the bias in BBC news, and how they got all their stories from the Guardian. There's a more neutral source for you.

[Berni]

The beeb is a soft-left organisation that still harbours the occasional out-and-out lefty (Paul Mason as Business Editor on Newsnight, for instance).

[Snin]

http://www.awimb.com/fudforum/index.php?t=tree&goto=3990 983&rid=805&S=3773d89f0341e2d83b014537f9efa5c0 (http://www.awimb.com/fudforum/index.php?t=tree&goto=3990983&rid=805&S=3773d89f0341e2d83b014537f9efa5c0)

:hehe: very rude :-)

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Snin]

[Snin]

just wanted to flag them up ..i was mainly wasted on Saturday tbh from 6pm onwards..very wasted :-)though no hangover on sunday! ;-)

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Berni]

It never seems to occur to them that they are basically admitting that they are incapable of being even vaguely amusing themselves and so entirely rely on others being amusing.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Jesus H Christ.

[Snin]

[Berni]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1170239/BBC-rebukes- Middle-East-correspondent-Jeremy-Bowen-anti-Israel-comments. html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1170239/BBC-rebukes-Middle-East-correspondent-Jeremy-Bowen-anti-Israel-comments.html)

[Red N White Army]

[Ashberto]

[Classic Jorge]

If only there was some sort of trust that oversaw the whole thing.

[Classic Jorge]

Oh, I see, it was just that he once made the mistake of criticising israel, he won't make that mistake again.

[Ashberto]

saying that all the regular posters are **** and it was much better in the old days when all the racist loons they miss so badly were making them laugh all the time.

[Ashberto]

a balanced view?

[Classic Jorge]

And also for getting it quite, quite wrong

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

The numbers are not in dispute.

[Snin]

we could leave our PM's open, people would pop from topic to topic , was lots of room on here to stretch out wifhat bouncing into a f**kin pole ..gone to dogs mate..

[Ashberto]

So I did nuffink of the sought.

[Classic Jorge]

And also, The Commentator :hehe: And you with your proud history of discounting people who post examples of stuff from around the web's nicher sites as proof.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

The point of the story is the numbers. You are simply obfuscating.

[Snin]

:judge: take yourself to the infirmary

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

I'm not really sure what they prove apart from that the BBC orders more Guardians than Daily Mails though.

Not sure it's a bad thing either, given the sort of bile the daily mail regurgitates.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

disproportionate number of Guardians relative to the population at large, it seems likely that that choice of newspaper would seem to reflect a disproportionately left-wing mindset at the organisation.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

buys an equal number of copies of the one as the other doesn't indicate a left wing bias?

By the way, I agree with you that Mail does, indeed, spew some dreadful extremist bile; I'm just not too blinkered to see that the exact equivalent extremist nonsense is peddled by the Guardian. They're just two sides of the same coin.

[Ashberto]

[Snin]

as I like his..well written, clever, erudite and witty chap that he is. So I guess by not reading the others I missed the point that he wasn't calling your posts balanced. I did think it would have been a major mistake of his and I couldn't believe Ash would make a mistake like that. If anything it was a jokey silly post between me and Ash and no need for you to get involved dear.

[Snin]

:-)

[Classic Jorge]

Who would've thought young, professional media types would prefer a paper that has a specific media section - not to mention in depth sections on society, education and the arts - to a paper which is 50pc adverts and 50pc diluted fascism.

[Classic Jorge]

[Luis Anaconda]

The Mail is a tabloid in both size


How many copies of the Times and or the Telegraph, for instance, would have been a more thoughful comparison. You would expect people who work for a large news organisation to be more likely to read the quality press

Plus the numbers don't make that compelling a case ie 50,000 copies of the Mail are still being bought

[Ashberto]

the subject, it would seem that you are of the opinion that Israel is roundly to blame.

If other evidence is available I apologise for not being familiar with it, and look forward to acquainting myself with it in due course. :thumbup:

[Snin]

left wing loony hotbed yes? amazing sleuthing that and adding 2 + 2 to get 5 imo stats and lies..this whole story is bollocsk really isnt it

[Berni]

take a copy of all the papers, I would assume (which I'm guessing would explain why the Mail is being taken at all in many instances). Thus, any discrepancy in relative numbers is therefore likely to be down to the personal choices of individual staff members, so that does make the statistic of value.

That said, I would agree that a comparison with The Telegraph would have been more meaningful.

[Classic Jorge]

Mind you, they do have the upper hand in nearly every respect and get a phenomenally easy ride in the media, even in the famously lefty BBC.

[Berni]

for its staff. So the analogy is total balls.

Honestly, snin, when you're struggling to keep up, have you ever considered just not saying anything?

[Berni]

[Snin]

guardian more than anyone i know tbh plus J often links to telegraph..i just cant see any link to this actually being a story

[Classic Jorge]

And that the BBC is just a product of this. I mean, the only Guardian fronted newsagent I ever saw was the one on the corner of Rathbone Place and Charlotte St, for instance.

[Classic Jorge]

[Snin]

would be odd if the bbc was biased towards little englanders imo

Results
Party Leader Votes Seats
Conservatives David Cameron 10,806,015 (36.4%)
306 (47.1%)
306 / 650
Labour Party Gordon Brown 8,609,527 (29.0%)
258 (39.7%)
258 / 650
Liberal Democrats Nick Clegg 6,836,824 (23.0%)
57 (8.8%)
57 / 650
UK Independence Party Lord Pearson 919,471 (3.1%)
0 (0.0%)
0 / 650
British National Party Nick Griffin 564,321 (1.9%)
0 (0.0%)
0 / 650
Scottish National Party Alex Salmond 491,386 (1.7%)
6 (0.9%)
6 / 650
Green Party Caroline Lucas 265,243 (0.9%)
1 (0.2%)
1 / 650

[Berni]

How can you then seriously suggest that that bias is not reflected in the organisation's editorial tone?

[Berni]

Does anyone still use the paper to find a job these days?

[Classic Jorge]

Seriously, just because something isn't right wing news it doesn't mean it is left wing news.

[Classic Jorge]

[Luis Anaconda]

to look through the media section. Probably went to the library to do so for free.


How f**king :old: does that sound?

[Berni]

To me it seems astonishing that anyone can watch the BBC's current affairs, drama or particularly its comedy output and claim it's anything other than left wing.

[Berni]

I'm trying to think of what the last job I got via The Guardian was. My first one post-JTC came via the UKPG (which I assume has died now) and my second and third were Guardian. So that would have been 2001. Since then, they've all been either agency or headhunting, I think.

[Classic Jorge]

If you call that left wing I think you need your compass looking at.

Drama and comedy is different, granted, but then again it's largely ****e for people who can't download HBO shows.

[Luis Anaconda]

I got my first job effectively through a friend of my sister and this one through Gorkana (I think). Christ knows where the next one is coming from

[Berni]

query the fact that you were totally misrepresenting my views, tbh.

And if Sir C and I just constantly spout 'the same old ****e' as you constantly claim, here's an idea: don't read our stuff; don't respond to our stuff (which you do with almost stalkerish zeal); stop trying to bait us and go off and talk to other people.

I for one would be much happier if I didn't have to wade through your nonsensical posts to try and determine what - if any - point you're making.

[Peter]

[Snin]