im beconing a bit of a Ramzan Kadyrov fan tbh..hes muslim and manages to mix the two quite well

[Snin]

as did Attaturk..and Assad imo all good chaps

[Snin]

http://rt.com/politics/221671-kadyrov-chechnya-charlie-hebdo / (http://rt.com/politics/221671-kadyrov-chechnya-charlie-hebdo/)

[Classic Jorge]

Probably the perfect ideal of what a Muslim leader needs to be in order to bring a state into the present.

[Berni]

to take his cue from Western ideas of society and government.

The whole 'helping to cover up the genocide of the Armenians' aside, of course.

[Classic Jorge]

I mean look how well Tony's done....

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

[Peter]

Its the only unpopular move he ever made and it made him unpopular.

There is a lesson in there somewhere.

[Bergkamp's Brain]

Americans do not engage in genocide, they liberate

:-|

[Classic Jorge]

"middle east peace envoy"

http://stopwar.org.uk/images/news/blair_bush_laughing_460.jpg

[Peter]

[Berni]

meaningless.

Genocide is not 'killing a lot of people'.

The only genocide you might conceivably point the finger at the US for is of the Native Americans. And even that would be a stretch.

[Classic Jorge]

I am right though

[Berni]

But if you will go around making up definitions of words...

[Luis Anaconda]

Like naughtystepocide for people who get carried away a bit with power and kill more people than they mean to

[Classic Jorge]

[Peter]

Surely we can all agree that killing a lot of people is a bad thing?

In general.....

[Berni]

Of course I'd rather it weren't necessary for some people to be killed, but sadly it is. So, as Macbeth puts it: "If it were done when 'tis done, then 'twere well it were done quickly."

[Classic Jorge]

[Peter]

We?

Just trying to build a consensus here :-)

[Bergkamp's Brain]

[Peter]

After all, someone has to die at some point dont they?

[Snin]

they f**ked the buffalos

[Luis Anaconda]

[Classic Jorge]

[Snin]

[Snin]

he does seem to pick and choose imo

[Classic Jorge]

[Peter]

Now you are being pedantic, LA. The stoke thing was fine

Trust me, if i had a point i would have made it by now. :-)

[Snin]

[Peter]

[Berni]

We do essentially employ standing armed forces who are specifically trained in acts of mass killing. They are not, however, murderers.

[Snin]

[Peter]

I mean, lots of very different people wear beards.

[Snin]

[Peter]

If not all of them.

[Snin]

truth and sanity in the world..surely a sign that we are dealing with a true total wackjob imo

[Berni]

In which case, I would challenge you to argue that to the hostages in kosher supermarket in Paris last week.

[Berni]

[Snin]

i just really hope you are as much a caricature as I am..would be upsetting otherwise tbh

[Berni]

I hardly think that is a particularly radical statement, is it?

[Berni]

All suspect if you ask me.

[Classic Jorge]

You'll be justifying it on religious grounds next, it's not so much a logical leap as a logical shuffle.

[Berni]

[Snin]

[Peter]

Are fairly unlikely to share many views.

[Peter]

[Peter]

[Berni]

a murderous scum regime?

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

Are you going all John Donne on me?

[Ashberto]

by a PR company hired to make said regime look bad as an excuse for ulterior motives.

[Ashberto]

in check.

[Berni]

scum - nope it's definitely not allowing N.azi.

[Bergkamp's Brain]

[Berni]

[Berni]

large numbers of people in order to save much larger numbers of people.

[Ashberto]

Smashing up countries isn't like an embassy siege where you burst in through the windows, take out the bad guys and everyone lives happily ever after. The last 15 years have offered overwhelming evidence of this for those who care to take note of it.

[Ashberto]

of all non-believers, or 'deniers' as they call them.

[Bergkamp's Brain]

For starters, who is to determine that killing a certain section of the population will result in a larger section of the population surviving?