So there appears to be another siege kicking off in a kosher supermarket in Paris.

[Berni]

This time it's the bloke who shot the policewoman. Fun and games innit.

On the other hand, if I were a Parisian criminal, today would be a good day to pull some major non-violent crime since all the coppers are busy with the mad mullahs.

[Pat Vegas]

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

the general problem of the advanced western democracies having made the crass error of inviting the enemy into its very bosom ( in their stinking, fetid millions ).

[the splendor of antigone]

operation for the sole benefit of America and Israel? Doesn't snin quite like a good conspiracy theory?

http://oi62.tinypic.com/alog9z.jpg

[Snin]

looking more and more retarded day by day as it was from the f**king beginning..shias are decent chaps imo and iran in control of iraq..syria with assad and ol mad dog in libya was a much better set up
and it proves that no wonder these old Baath parties were quite so tough on the mad mullahs..they need a pretty firm hand on them.. and saudi and wahabiism are the true f**kers...yet we love em..look at bahrain ffs. we should nuke saudi imo job done

[Berni]

Let's start with a complete crackdown on all Islamic advocates of terror. There's no shortage. Anyone offering succour, sympathy or support to terrorist groups should be subject to immediate internment, prosecution and - where appropriate - deportation.

Let us then follow this with the dismantling of all Islamic schools and the treatment of many of Islam's more disgusting teachings as what they are - illegal hate speech. Also, in order to stay open, mosques must also make all their services open to the security services at all times.

Removal of all hijabs, niqabs and other symbols of female oppression should be mandatory, while the pandering to Islam that has gone on in our legal, care, policing and education systems - as well as in other public instutions - must be completely rolled back.

We must also remove the passports from any individuals considered to be a security risk in order to prevent them travelling abroad for training, etc.

Finally, there must be an immediate suspension to all muslim immigration into this country.

Those measures would do for a start. No more Mr Nice Guy.

And, yes, these measures would be discriminatory against muslims, but that's sort of the point. They're the problem, so I think it's fair to treat them accordingly.

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

If it wasn't for Muslim doctors ad nurses the entire helath system, public and private, would be packed with f**king saffas.

[Berni]

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

colleague and he was aghast, opining that you could never do such a thing in a civilized democracy. Had good fun telling him about Norn 'Iron and H blocks etc.

Will you run for office b?

[Snin]

as they all have stupid ideas, rules, hates , etc..so why ban islam when as practiced well by nice shias its just as acceptable / unacceptbable as catholics / jews etc.

jews and orthodox christians wont travel with women and are pretty hateful at times as are neocons etc.. best ban it all then job done

[Snin]

[the splendor of antigone]

ills of society on the Sabbatean, Kabbalah-reading and devil-worshiping Jews imo. :nod:

[Classic Jorge]

Repeat after me, there is no god but shareholder dividends, there is no god but shareholder dividends, there is no god but shareholder dividends, there is no god but shareholder dividends.

[Berni]

and vulgar, while the BNP are common, knuckle-dragging oiks. There's really no party for the respectable hard righter, I'm afraid.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

Indeed, they're pretty explicit on the point.

The history of the 20th century tells us that, in confrontation with illiberal forces, liberal democracies are eventually compelled by circumstance to become less liberal, less plural and more single-minded in order to defeat those forces.

We must be single-minded in defence of our plurality
We must be heartless in defence of our compassion.
We must be savage in defence of our gentleness.
We must be ruthless in defence of our pity.

Nothing else works.

[Snin]

tranvestites and cross dressers from driving ! :-) a true legend imo if he just banned all religion then it would be true love..then again he not too keen on jews, catholics, angklicans and mussies..if he lost his soft spot for orthodox hed be perfect

[Classic Jorge]

I'm starting to think the terrorists have already won.

[Classic Jorge]

[Snin]

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

for spineless acquiescence has now passed. The Barbarians are poised to swarm over the walls like rapacious vermin and you will either stand and fight or perish.

[Snin]

are liberal, dont kill lots of towel heads or invade them and treat them quite fairly and LO AND BEHOLD! they dont get lots of **** from them..its weird isnt it ?

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

using such inflammatory language at your next dinner party though (offal scoffing session).

[Berni]

reaping the whirlwind they've sown. See Hamburg, Dresden, Tokyo, Nagasaki, Hiroshima. There's nothing more savage than a liberal democracy that puts its mind to it.

[Snin]

has death penalty and military police..but yet they get people kicking off and loads in prison ? surely mhust be shum mistake? lets just get less liberal woo hoo.. dumb f**king cnuts its the less liberals who have backed saudi pissed on iran f**ked up libya and iraQ ..backed whabbism agasint israel to f**k off plo and now want to blame what they created? hope they all die tbh its the fault of the right that this **** is with us..bush etc

[Classic Jorge]

And the wives, obviously, but they just talk about baking and curtains

[Berni]

[Ashberto]

Snin's right about the Baathists and the Colonel. A firm hand is the only language these people understand. I'm not sure I can sign off all of Berni's manifesto but I get where he's coming from.

[Classic Jorge]

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

Classic "us and them" -ism. No respect for the plurality of the muslim population, just round them all up under a single handy religious heading and f**k the lot of them.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Classic Jorge]

Apparently boar doesn't count as pork for religious purposes, who knew?

[Luis Anaconda]

although no one care and they are still a bunch of racist rapists and Aaron Ramsey tbf *







*I still count George North as English :sign:

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Luis Anaconda]

very simplistic these northerners

[Berni]

If they want to adopt the pose of an enemy to our society, they will If they don't want to be treated that way, they'll have to change their ways.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

You're better than this, Berni.

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

[Berni]

This is very much an Elizabeth I and Pope Pius moment. You're welcome to be a muslim in this country, but your first duty and loyalty must be to the state, otherwise it's Tyburn time.

[Luis Anaconda]

[Classic Jorge]

This section of society, is it muslims or just the terrorists?

[redgunamo]

[Luis Anaconda]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Saw her once at the old Highbury. Simply beautiful.

She was quite nice also.

[Classic Jorge]

Not just for muslims either

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

"They"?

You're doing it again.

[redgunamo]

[Berni]

in Allah's name. I'm sick of watching the post-enlightenment principles on which this country is predicated being eroded or sidestepped to make allowances for 7th century savages who want to impose their disgusting ideas on us by force or stealth and then scream blue murder about their 'rights' (which they have no interest in affording to anyone else, btw) should anyone dare to suggest that maybe their beliefs or ideas are incompatible with a modern liberal society. I'm sick of being told I must be silent about ideas I find unacceptable for fear of causing offence. I'm sick of the idea that there are things we cannot say, write or even draw because we must be afraid.

It's time we taught these people to fear us, not the other way around.

Sick of it. They must abide by our laws and mores or face the consequences.

[redgunamo]

http://www.thefootballramble.com/images/blog/mido.jpg

[Classic Jorge]

lovely

[Luis Anaconda]

I think we are her to bring the place down to its more human roots

[redgunamo]

[Classic Jorge]

[redgunamo]

[PSRB]

[Luis Anaconda]

[Berni]

destroy a race. Besides, they were merely meant to illustrate the idea that being a liberal democracy and being savage were not mutually incompatible.

The terrorists are muslims and were raised and nurtured by that community. That community is therefore under scrutiny, suspicion and subject to more draconian treatment than law-abiding sections of society. That merely seems logical to me.

[Berni]

muslim to any other segment of society. What would be the point? We're talking about counter-insurgency here, not being fair to everyone.

[Berni]

[Berni]

accordingly.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

[Luis Anaconda]

[Classic Jorge]

genocide
ˈdʒɛnəsʌɪd/Submit
noun
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group.

[Berni]

Punishment of Genocide. "Article II: In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group"

None of which applies to the acts you mention, which were acts of war designed to reduce the enemy's ability to wage war and to bring about the end of the war.

[Luis Anaconda]

utter utter bull

[Berni]

won't need muslim doctors and nurses to treat them. Job done.

[Ashberto]

And they haven't come for a cup of sugar.

[Pat Vegas]

[Classic Jorge]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Far be it from me to get involved in political discussions.

At least you are honest. I would imagine many feel the same but hide behind it perhaps not being the right thing to say.

[Berni]

It was intended to stop the f**king war.

[redgunamo]

[Classic Jorge]

That's genocide

[ArseMart - Enjoy every sandwich]

surrender of the enemy.

An enemy which in both cases were not very pleasant.

And a Second World War in 20 years the cause of which can be directly linked to the fact that the previous World War was not ended by an unconditional surrender.

And by the way, after all of those acts of Genocide bar the last one, the Axis powers decided to fight on. Including in one case after they'd had a f**king atom bomb dropped on them

[Luis Anaconda]

[Berni]

By your definition, then, the attacks on Wednesday were Genocide as well, since they tried to "in part" kill all of the French.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

the killing of any one or two people of the same ethnicity, nationality or race to be an act of genocide.

You're making yourself look very silly here.

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

Japanese, merely to make them surrender so our troops and people could stop dying.

[redgunamo]

[Classic Jorge]

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

whatever your views on Hiroshima/Nagasaki/Dresden, he's got you bang to rights on the semantics.

That doesn't stop him being a bigot.

[Classic Jorge]

Also, and I can't stress this point enough, how has me claiming they are genocide attracted more opprobrium than him advocating them in the first place FFS?! (interrobang)

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

Might not make mush difference in a bad tackle in football, but it makes a difference in genocide, otherwise it's just a question of numbers.

You're being pulled up for being obtuse about it, nothing the internet loves more than someone who's wrong but won't admit it. Compared to that you can advocate almost anything and get away with it.

[Luis Anaconda]

call them atrocities if you must but they are not genocide. I can't believe you can't see that

[Classic Jorge]

So you can kill 100,000 plus and it won't be genocide as long as you have some other goal in mind?

Im the one being obtuse here, obviously

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

It's in the very roots of the word.

[JohnnyPuma]

If it had been a genocide, they would not have stopped with two A-bombs. They never intended to wipe out the entire Japanese race with the bombs. Genocide requires an intent to wipe out or seriously decimate an ethnic or religious group.

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

Article Two of the convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such":

Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group

Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its
physical destruction in whole or in part

Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group

Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

[Luis Anaconda]

and gassing a majority of them just because they are a different religion/race/nationality to you is very very different to taking an action that you believe will result in ending a war in millions more will be killed - if you can't get that you are a f**king idiot and that is why you are getting stick

[redgunamo]

[Classic Jorge]

f**k it, OK, then. I'm clearly worse than someone who advocates we kill hundreds of thousands.

You're all mad

[JohnnyPuma]

The reason people are arguing with you is that you are wrong-factually. The fact that you think it is morally wrong to kill hundred of thousands with bombs does not make it a genocide.

The Americans had no intention of wiping out the Japanese people from the surface of the earth and no ideology to support that.

[Classic Jorge]

[Ashberto]

Some of that stuff can be interpreted so widely as to render it almost meaningless. How big or small is a part?

[Classic Jorge]