:recylcepostswimb: If you were to move abroad where would you go?

[Pat Vegas]

I have to consider Italy imo. Things seem far more relaxed. Not just from being on holiday point of view.

Quite a change from my usual North American interests.

Perhaps I can be an English teacher. and we are buying my brother in laws flat as he has 2 places.

I dunno probably just another fash dream.

[Rich]

[Pat Vegas]

I am not going to blame London anymore for things as I used to. It's just the way the city is.

As everywhere it has it's benefits and it's disadvantages.

[PSRB]

Nice weather and close to sea or mountains

[Brentwood]

[PSRB]

[Billy Goat Sverige]

good things about over here, you hardly get any spiders and if you do they're tiny little things. That worries me more than the bears/wolves/lynx.

[Pat Vegas]

[PSRB]

[Classic Jorge]

Obviously not the US or Australia though, I'm not that lacking in imagination.

Or Africa or India, not a massive fan of dysentery

[Berni]

With no disrespect intended to your dear lady, of course.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

for wooded areas. The wood clad houses get a bit boring to look at though.

[Classic Jorge]

far more of a contribution to the world than we have, on balance.

[Berni]

They are right vicious little c**ts, as I recall.

[Classic Jorge]

only probably about as far north as I am now anyway.

I really dug the place, I could definitely live there. They tentatively felt me out about a job but the company was bought out from the university there.

[PSRB]

[Berni]

I know you don't like this, but whether you do or don't, you live in a world almost entirely shaped by the English-speaking peoples. The Roman Empire and a few good painters and sculptors don't change that, I'm afraid.

[PSRB]

[Billy Goat Sverige]

to a bigger city from where we are in the north we'll be going there.

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

Beer is expensive, but a lot cheaper than Sweden.

[Berni]

there for any length of time I would be forced to kill myself. Just so, so depressing.

[PSRB]

[Red N White Army]

[Classic Jorge]

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

something like the England of the imagination. Beautiful, rolling green hills with hedgerows, meadows and woodlands but nowhere near as crowded as England and with the added advantage that the sun, during spring and summer at least, is usually shining.

I live in the Chilterns which was, thirty years ago, inspiring in its classical English aesthetic. Now, most of the hedges are littered with plastic bags, McRefuse, Stella tins and endless gobbets of soggy tissue? This England is now infested with unspeakable, repellent utter, utter cvnts.

[Brentwood]

Fantastic in the summer, where it is very warm and light all evening, but can get a bit depressing in winter

[Billy Goat Sverige]

****. I wouldn't mind if it was continuously cold, but it's gone from one extreme to the other. Over christmas we had about 1ft of snow and it got down to -23'C, and then 5 days later it was +3'C, the snow had all gone, and there was ice everywhere. I went out to the supermarket in a big winter jacket and sweat my *******s off not realising how much warmer it had got.

[Classic Jorge]

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

[Classic Jorge]

[Cyprus The Immortal Gooner]

[Berni]

Also, at that time of year around there, the weather is wet and freezing. Their only locally-grown source of vitamin C is sea buckthorn juice, ffs and that's like drinking battery acid.

No. Better suicide than the frozen north imo.

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

as far as I remember. They may possibly have decriminalised possession at low amounts, but I'm not sure.

[PSRB]

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

[Red N White Army]

[Dutch Gooner]

[Classic Jorge]

[PSRB]

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

Though nobody seems entirely sure what this actually means.

[Berni]

all parts of the globe and they persist to this day - indeed to such an extent that most people don't even realise they aren't indigenous. Politically, technologically, societally, ideologically and stucturally, this is an Anglo-Saxon world.

[Bergkamp's Brain]

although the thought of Club Level driving down the streets of Seattle with Glenn Mederios blaring out of his speakers puts a bit of a dampner on that one :hehe:

Alternatively, Singapore would be a nice place to live

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

Christiania has had various arrangements with the government and council, and this occasionally meant that policing was basically off limits there. So yes, you can still score there, and you're not likely to get busted there for anything other than supplying, but it's still subject to Danish law.

[PSRB]

[Berni]

terrible or anything - indeed if they were nastier I might like them better. No, ultimately, it's just that they're just...not right. :shrug:

[Bergkamp's Brain]

[Trixie Popsicle]

[Dutch Gooner]

1. warm
2. sunny
3. within 2½ hours of anywhere else of importance in western/northern europe
4. beaches
5. relaxed atmosphere
6. kids learn another lingo

[Snin]

or Bognor or Devon

[Classic Jorge]

...enlightenment, which hardly even happened in this country. It did in Scotchland, mind, a little bit. And they were the ones that invented everything, which tells you something.

[Trixie Popsicle]

But I would never live in the US or France. :puke:

[PSRB]

San Fran people seem to be more European in outlook and manners

[Bergkamp's Brain]

[Snin]

but still liked it

[PSRB]

[Trixie Popsicle]

I've lived in 6 different countries, and I would still always come back to the UK.

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

In many ways England was actually the model for the Enlightenment.

Some of Voltaire's formative ideas came from living in London
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letters_on_the_English

We had a constitutional monarchy (not an absolute one) and religious tolerance, for instance.

[Classic Jorge]

Servile, royalist, forelock tugging nonsense of the highest degree

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

rock 'n roll, and the fab mop tops transformed it and unleashed on the world a cataclysmic cultural revolution which saw this nation, over the next twenty years, colonize the very collective soul of the planet.

J will now proceed to spout errant piss about the Beach Boys or some other such tosh.

[Bergkamp's Brain]

You would want to avoid LA though.

[Pat Vegas]

[PSRB]

[Classic Jorge]

[Bergkamp's Brain]

[Bergkamp's Brain]

[Classic Jorge]

bloody spell check

[Pat Vegas]

of a lock in.

Friends of my wife know the owner of the restaurant, Once the other punters pissed off doors closed ashtray out :smokin: inside :cloud9:

[Red N White Army]

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[Classic Jorge]

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[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

In terms of deep thinkers, England had Hobbes, Locke, Bacon and of course Newton. That's really not a bad kick-start.

[Dutch Gooner]

[Classic Jorge]

And yes, I recognise and prefer Locke and Bacon but they weren't strictly speaking part of that whole enlightenment thing really.

Feel free to Kant me off

[Berni]

By ridding ourselves of the twin dead hands of religious dogma and autocratic monarchy, we had created probably the most intellectually liberated and fertile society on earth. Ideas from this country almost completely underpinned both the American and French revolutions.

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

hundred years at least - rather like Einstein.

Wasn't Newton a bit of a poor tripe-scoffer too?

[Classic Jorge]

And it's not like we kept ahead of that whole business, by the 19th century we were specks in the rear view mirror of more enlightened cultures.

It's almost as if we are the ones who are now resting on our laurels and harking back to days gone by.

[Trixie Popsicle]

[Classic Jorge]

which is Lincolnshire, basically dutch

[Luis Anaconda]

Luton Airport can f**k right off though. A Heinrken bar, P - it's a disgrace

[Ashberto]

[Classic Jorge]

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

I just recognise the importance of his ideas (other than absolute monarchy, obviously).

The point about some of those thinkers not being part of the Enlightenment is that they predate it. They pretty much bloody invented The Enlightenment.

[Berni]

The slave-owning United states? The German principalities that coalesced into the militaristic, Prussian-led oligarchy? The French, with their succession of dictators, kings, emperors and eventually hapless and fragile democracy? The ill-assorted and permanently declining Austro-Hungarian empire? The decadent and degenerate Spain? The depraved Ottoman Empire? The nascent and chaotic Italy? The autocratic and backward Russia?

Really, j, I am curious to know in whose rear view mirrors we were by the 19th century?

[Berni]

[Luis Anaconda]

Fast here used in the German sense of "nearly"

[Berni]

Also, he was probbers a shirtlifter, of course. NTTAWWI.

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

was essentially a technician who quantified and simplified physics so brilliantly the rest of us were able to do some useful engineering.

(guess who's just discovered Wodehouse btw :-D )

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

Mystic Isaac. He started with 5.

[Pat Vegas]

will happen on them on a daily basis ruining their mood.

[Berni]

Anything Wrong With It'.

Honestly, h, you need to work on your book learnin'.

[Luis Anaconda]

What do you expect from furriers though

[Pat Vegas]

[Berni]

bloody time trying to change base metal to gold? Silly genius.

[Classic Jorge]

I'll admit to getting my century wrong, I really meant the 20th, but here we are with only the slightest fiddles since, church and state all wrapped up together with the same pyramid of power we had then.

[Classic Jorge]

[Ashberto]

[Ashberto]

[Berni]

terror - only finally brought to an end by military dictatorship.

The US Constitution is and was a nice bit of writing, but hopelessly vague and has to be amended every five minutes for practical purposes - not least to emancipate the slaves that most of its signatories owned.

As to Spain, I have literally no idea what you might be driving at since the place was a monarchical basket case that was finally overthrown by a leftist revolution that culminated in civil war, internecine fighting on the left and a fascist dicatorship that lasted until the 1970s. I don't really see that we have much among that lot to envy, tbh.

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

being nothing wrong with it, one chap firing his tackle up another chap's dunny is very wrong indeed.

[Classic Jorge]

f**king special character *******s.

The point is that there was change, change is good as you at least get somewhere by the end.

[Bergkamp's Brain]

I'm surprised Hendon, Wembley or Uttox didn't come up with that won.

[Berni]

did what no king of England had ever done and brought the whole of the British Isles to heel with his military genius, secured the country's overseas interests, refused the crown and - rather than being domestically repressive - actually ruled England with a remarkably light touch, whilst suppressing dangerous radical elements like the Levellers*. He also didn't really try to set up a dynasty of dictatorship, but realised that his role was to get the country on an even keel following a catalclysmic civil war.

All in all, a great chap.



*Crusty f**kers.

[Berni]

in really fundamental ways. What it has not done was have a huge amount of bloodletting, civil war or revolution in order to do so.

That, it would seem to me, is a good thing. Unless, of course, you think that violent chaos is in and of itself a good thing (which, in my experience, is the sort of view only ever espoused by those who have never had to live through violent chaos).

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

distance my least favourite English county and mostly full of web-fingered inbreds.

[Classic Jorge]

[Luis Anaconda]

Now it's no Muslims, no Poles and dogs are surprisingly popular

[Berni]

the Parliament Act, which effectively broke the power of the aristocracy; the end of capital punishment; gay rights; devolution; the children's act; education; the repeal of the Corn Laws; Labour acts; Poor law...I could go on and on and on, but it would be absurd. The fact is that the Britain of 1832 and today are barely even recognisable as being on the same planet, let alone the same country. And all achieved without violent internal strife. An incredible achievement.

[Berni]

wanting to chuck your muck up another chap.

[Berni]

[Ashberto]

[Dr Headgear - Wannabe viking]

[Classic Jorge]

The monarchy can still veto anything they find distasteful and, thanks to new laws, we don't even have the right to know. You can't seriously be saying the Corn Laws had a revolutionary effect on society, only George Lucas would apply such emphasis to trade tariffs.

Not only have we barely gone forward, we are travelling backwards.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

halfway up just to catch my breath.

Of course, rather less pleasantly, Lincoln is the birthplace of the blood libel with old Saint Hugh as well. :-(

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

[Ashberto]

[Berni]

[Berni]

arsey when you actually confront them with the historical facts. Compared to what was going on in Europe in the Thirty Years War around the same time, what Cromwell did in Ireland was incredibly restrained. Compared to that lot, he was Mother Theresa (not a comparison I imagine he'd have relished, tbh).

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

very soul I'd cry deal!

Seriously Berni- this pretence that the mere sight of her doesn't trigger an immediate and thunderous tumescence in you is mischief designed to confuse and confound me?

[Berni]

the clotted, dense and wiry black hairs that I have no doubt surround her ringpiece?

I have no doubt that she is a very hairy woman downstairs, h. It's like a Jacksons reunion down there imo.

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

Oh Nigella, sweet Nigella
It is said that should a fella
Ever get inside your knickers
He will find.

That your fanny is delicious
and perpetually lubricious
and as hairy as a grizzly bear's behind.