Since i can't reply lower down to Sir C's thread... Govt have just

[Pokster]

announed they are selling some more of the Lloyds shares at a profit to the tax payer

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

(eh?) and given to evil bankers who sit in their underground volcano lairs with David Cameron and cackle gleefully at the fate of the Single Sky Box classes.

[Classic Jorge]

[Pokster]

[Classic Jorge]

Cant find anything now though.

For a government meant to usher in a new era of transparency this lot sure are opaque. They've removed all of the "I'll eliminate the deficit by 2015" stuff off of their site too.

[Pokster]

some will claim that as a profit (forgetting the lost interest) or they use the fees that lloyds have had to pay over the years and then use that figure to reduce the p[rice they need to sell at.

Has any goverment ever been clear and open about how they work/fiddle figures/manipulate data?

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

So they're going to make a profit.

No one's getting royally f**ked, I'm afraid.

[Classic Jorge]

Also, if we don't use the banks we own there's literally no point of owning them so they're better off of the books.

[Classic Jorge]

I take your point about governments and transparency but one of this lot's big ticket election issues was transparency and they've been anything but.

Say what you like about Blair, and I've never said much good about him, but the FOI stuff was a genuine force for good in democratic society. And I say that as someone who had to compile these bloody things.