He's such a beautiful man, and it looks like he's coming home too

[Classic Jorge]

"To me, the most beautiful thing is making the pass when you are in a position to score yourself. You know you’re good enough to score, but you give the ball. You share. And you see that joy in the eyes of the other guy. You know, he knows, everyone knows. People have never understood that when I do that [Henry mimics a gathering gesture, his hands above his shoulders], that’s not to say, “Come and see me, I’ve scored!” but, “Come here, so that we celebrate together, so that we savour it together.”

[Berni]

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xd3r9t_robert-pires-thierry -henry-cocking_sport (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xd3r9t_robert-pires-thierry-henry-cocking_sport)

[Ben.]

we could get Frank De Boer in and bring him home :cloud9:

Only thing is he would still be home for some away games, I'm sure Frank could cope :nod:

[IUFG]

to see how far we have sunk*





* about 4th innit

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

I saw a lovely live show recently by former comedy rock star Rob Newman, it was in support of the CND and a homeless refugee & asylum seeker charity in huddersfield, you would've loved it.

His basic premise was that darwin got it wrong and the theory of evolution wasn't based around competition but around cooperation.

[Ben.]

we'll have to sub in Steve Bould as assistant for European away games, you want to keep it tight in those anyway, so it will work out.
We'll win the home leg comfortably with Dennis' assisting available to us.

[Classic Jorge]

[IUFG]

[Ben.]

Alexis :cloud9:








*not sure for how long at this rate.

[TRENT COLTON]

[Ben.]

I think he was at Charlton, in some capacity, for the best part of a century (I may have to double check that).

What about Wim Jonk?

We could re-unite them again.

[TRENT COLTON]

[Classic Jorge]

In fairness, it was too lefty even for me

[Classic Jorge]

[Ben.]

and full backs spend the majority of the game in and around (sorry) their penalty area.

[IUFG]

[Ben.]

[Classic Jorge]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[TRENT COLTON]

[Ben.]

although you would have thought Bould would have addressed the defence.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

There has always been defensive knowledge in the background - Rice and Primorac.

[Monty91]

[Ben.]

going by recent seasons it's looking like we were fortunate in the respect that the likes of Keown, Adams, Vieira and Campbell pretty much coached themselves.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

loopy back in the 90s, thanks.

[Luis Anaconda]

Genius of course, but wasn't the whole reason he ended up on the Beagle due to his being a bit weird

[Hillary]

Darwin' theory is all about adapting to a changing environment by any means. This could be competition or cooperation or simply by being able to take advantage of an environment where others couldn't.

He's a crap comedian as well.

[Classic Jorge]

Also, he never came up with a character I identified with like I do Ray

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nq_A6IYJYu4

[Classic Jorge]

I was just dumbing it down for incendiary effect. Everybody agrees that Dorkins is an arsehole.

[Monty91]

Coz he likes to provoke idiots on Twitter?

You realise his politics are left-leaning, don't you?

[Classic Jorge]

He's a left leaning, a liberal and an atheist, just like me. I may share some politics with him but that doesn't mean I should like him.

If you know anything about the left you would know the opposite is far more likely.

Have you seen the left? They're arseholes. There's a reason all my friends are from other areas on the political spectrum.

[Luis Anaconda]

even though people claimed it was based on me. What a personal disaster

[Monty91]

Surely you can't object to this?

[Classic Jorge]

Whilst that sort of bantz might go down well here I think he come across as a bit of a dick in public.

Also, this ....****housery actually sets the cause of a sensible, secular society back a great deal as we have this pathetic, irritating zealot speaking for us. We basically look the same as all of the other swivel eyed suspenders of disbelief.

[Monty91]

He passionately promotes rational and critical thinking and is not scared to denigrate those who do the opposite.

Yes, he is a provocateur, but never just for the sake of it but to provoke debate.

The only people who object to this are those who are not rational thinkers and don't like a light being shone on their stupidity.

How on earth can you object to that?

[Berni]

no bearing on the fact that he is clearly an arsehole whom people end up taking against even if they agree with him.

[Classic Jorge]

I think 'zealot' is a pretty apt description, both in historical and semantic terms.

[Monty91]

Don't you? :yikes:

[Berni]

He certainly wasn't as mad as the captain of The Beagle, for instance, who ended up cutting his own throat.

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

I'm actually profoundly jealous of your religiousers, you see they have a faith that i never will.

I'd take blind faith and devotion over constant ennui and existential angst any day.

[Luis Anaconda]

Was reading about the Beagle earlier in the year, probably what I was thinking of

[Hillary]

writings on evolution - difficult without being wrong, anyway.

[Hillary]

what started him down the road on his theory - he couldn't reconcile some of the extreme forms of behaviour within the animal kingdom with the idea hat they were all created that way by his God.

Unless you're referring to the made up stuff about him recanting on his deathbed

[Monty91]

life's work along with his more aggressive promotion science and reason has diverted millions away from a life of religious dogma.

As for existential angst, perhaps if you and I had brains as big and clever as Dawkins, we'd be able to find enough beauty and intrigue in the observable world to divert our attention from such earthly considerations as our own pointless lives.

[Jorge Likes Snails AND oysters]

But then I did create him. Can't wait to get him up here

[Monty91]

[Hillary]

https://newsmanone.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/bn2i-lhcmaaa5cw.jpg

[Berni]

Also, I doubt he's ever dissuaded anyone from religion. Nobody turns to religion because it makes sense, for f**k's sake! This is the idiotic mistake Dawkins and his ilk make: they act as though man is a logical or rational animal, which suggests they really haven't been paying attention.

Yes, we have the capacity for logic and to rationalise things. However, having the capacity for them and wanting to do them are two very different things.

[Luis Anaconda]

and his real first name is Clinton - no wonder he doesn't believe in God

[Berni]

You talked about 'discounting' things. Which was wrong. I was pointing that out to you.

[Classic Jorge]

I suspect if he did come across something that didn't support his wider point he'd gloss over it and carry on.

[Berni]

And show every sign of having an actual good time. Weird.

[Classic Jorge]

*this joke works better in upper case

[Ashberto]

[Ashberto]

http://photos1.blogger.com/x/blogger/5981/580/400/15176/dawkins.jpg

[Classic Jorge]

Which, coupled with his belief system, is even worse.

[Ashberto]

Hardcore atheists and theists aren't going to be swayed by anyone, but that's not his target, is it? It's those in the middle, whose faith in either the sky-being or understanding of the rational may be wavering, that are open to arguments. And the arguments in his books I've read are both excellent and inoffensively delivered.

Perhaps he's a jerk on social media, I dunno. Most people are on the internet, after all, but there's nothing wrong with what I've read in his books. Anyway. for some reason it's considered fine to mock, lambaste and insult people who we disagree with in any sphere except religion - one of the easiest subjects in the world to come to the right answer on. :shrug:

[Classic Jorge]

He's become everything he criticises, just another intransigent bigot

[Classic Jorge]

[Ashberto]

Why is it ok to mock everything but religion, and ok to ignore opposing arguments (which arguments are these anyway, btw?) unless you're an atheist?

[Classic Jorge]

Less so in major branches of religion

[Ashberto]

[Berni]

and still profess themselves to be 'a spiritual person' or some such ****.

Here's the thing: no-one of any real intelligence or tendency towards intellectual rigour needs to be given reasons not to believe in god - an intelligent child can work it out. Anyone who needs persuading is either too stupid or indoctrinated to be persuaded or simply doesn't want to be persuaded. So what's the point?

[Ashberto]

I agree with the latter, but why should the former go uncriticised? And do you have any empirical evidence of Dawkins ignoring any evidence that doesn't support his thesis? Maybe the Chief can help you out here.

[Classic Jorge]

[Ashberto]

and perhaps being a bit of a dick in other media. I believe that his arguments could help people in the middle whether we think that they should need that help or not.

Anyway, for people that like arguing about god (and I've always been one of them), it can help to have some very well thought out ammunition for the debate. Theists may never change their mind, but it's good to watch them flounder.

[Ashberto]

We might not change their mind but we should be able to call them out on it.

[Berni]

a theist. I'm not convinced that there actually is. Is the absence of hope and faith really something to envy?

I also have an intrinsic problem with these people who act as though being an atheist represented some giant intellectual leap on their part. Most of the time I suspect it's just an excuse to sneer and feel superior. If it weren't religion, it would be something else.

[Classic Jorge]

[Ashberto]

to sneer and feel superior to others over.

That's probably not what you think though, when you hear of Jihadists with fruit-knives or Christian fundies demanding that creationism is taught in schools as having equal merit to evolution.

[Ashberto]

Allah likes this.

[Berni]

Most of them don't bother me and I don't bother them. If they don't harangue me (as the vast majority of them don't), why should I be so ill-mannered as to harangue them about something that doesn't actually bother me that much?

Oh, and you misunderstand me completely. I sneer at humanity because all of it disgusts me. It is venal, ugly, deluded, stinking, stupid and pointless. And, worst of all, I know I'm part of the revolting mess. If there is an air of superiority, it is only there to mask the despair.

Have a nice evening. :thumbup: