Kind of nails the whole Poppies in Football nonsense

[Classic Jorge]

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[Mo Britain less Europe]

[Classic Jorge]

I'm going to do that at my next open mic

[Supermac1976]

WTF? :hehe:
http://oi57.tinypic.com/dddjyd.jpg

[71 Guns - channeling the spirit of Mr Hat]

modd, sod, Sneakers O'Toole, Strood, Alf Goonit, Basingstoke, Cigars and Brandy, FREELANCER etc etc :rubchin:

[Classic Jorge]

http://www.awimb.com/mugshots/daveh.jpg

We should all just piss off to SIMB

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

So the the freedom of future generations dig doesn't work

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septemberprogramm

And check the terms of Brest-Litovsk if you don't think they'd have implemented it.

Nor does the dig at the BEF's officer class looking down at footballers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Tull

He may have played from the scum up the road but they ditched 300 years of Kings regulations to allow a black man to officer white troops.

and his battalion

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_Battalion

was raised as a Pals btn by Kitchner.

But other than the historical inaccuracies and the lack of humour, it was great.

btw, you do realise that while 1961 saw Clarke's Lion led by Donkeys, it also saw Fischer's first book.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Fischer

And while 1969 saw Oooh, What a lovely war, it also saw the 2nd book of Fischer's thesis. (Basically, that Germany were bent on domination and thank God the Western Allies fought. He was West German and called a nest-fouler by the other FDR historians. But he was the first to have access to the complete Imperial German archives, and he quickly became the consensus has has remained so ever since, for over 50 years. I was at Mombauer's talk at the IWM for the 50th anniversary. She's the top modern expert - OU, wrote our course books. Also saw her with Sheffield this year at the British Library talk.)

So the RoW accepted the Fischer thesis from the '60s.

Except us, ironically. Hence Blackadder IV in 1989 continuing the Donkeys/Lovely War ideology.

But since then, British historians have come to agree. Sheffield, (and from the mil side, later, Hart) and Mombauer (German born, but living in GB working at the OU for decades.)

So for the last 20 years, the GB consensus has been with the RoW consensus that Fischer's right and Clarke et al are speaking *******s.

If you want a mil book that also deals with the politics, read Gary Sheffield's Forgotten Victory. He's the leader of that side of the British revisionists.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Forgotten-Victory-First-World-Realit ies-ebook/dp/B00N3RCHB2/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&q id=1415924045&sr=1-1&keywords=forgotten+victory (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Forgotten-Victory-First-World-Realities-ebook/dp/B00N3RCHB2/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1415924045&sr=1-1&keywords=forgotten+victory)

Sorry to be a bore, but if you haven't read the terms of the Sept. Prog, you really should.

Or the Dec 1912 War Council in Germany.

Which Momsenn in the late 60s first found out about and then the Brit Rohl in the early '70s found about 7 other sources backing him up.

Dec 1912. The Kaiser wantes a war, as does Moltke, but the navy tell him that as it now looks like GB will certainly fight with France, they need to wait 18 months so they can build the Kiel Canal and the Heligoland u-boat harbour.

How many months form Dec 1912 to June 1914, again?

But other than all those points, and Belgian neutrality (Sheffield is really good on that point), and the fact it was obvious the empire was doomed from the end of the war, yes, we were just fighting for our empire and not to stop those lovely Prussians dominating Europe.

Honest.

****. I seem to have ranted. I often do when people say these sort of things. Sorry. If you want ww1 humour, read The Wipers Times, imo.

[Classic Jorge]

I'll save this for when I can get through the references.

Meanwhile, you might like this. http://theleedscitizen.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/plans-afoot- to-turn-leeds-greatest-industrial-monument-into-major-arts-a nd-cultural-venue/ (http://theleedscitizen.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/plans-afoot-to-turn-leeds-greatest-industrial-monument-into-major-arts-and-cultural-venue/)

They even used a pic from one of my events there

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

I'm up for this, comrade Jorge.

Even my apolitical missus liked the sheepes and would get stuck in. (Well, film us martyring ourselves for her doc making career. But at least in means she'll pay for our train tickets.)

Aux barrcades! Aux Moutons! Aux le seul good building dans le nord avec un champs sur le toit pour les moutons to mangez en!

We must rescue it.

I can't be made aware of this northern paradise and then let it be knowingly destroyed.

[Alexism - Atheoist]

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

[Ganpati's Goonerz--AFC's Aboriginal Fertility Cult]

Look, I'm a Londoner who could never be bothered to go to the North as it didn't seem to have much, but when I was told about this building a month or so ago, and found out how it needed sheep on the roof, to cut the grass that held the roots in the earth that insulated etc etc, on top of the maddest ancient Egyptian copy in the west, I mean, fair play, that is architecture, that is art.

So why are you trying to cock it up? All it needs is the sheep back. Stick them back on the roof and let the tourists and hipsters pay 3x the price for a beer up there. (Do you have hipsters in Leeds? If not, send a van down to London Fields in Hackney, and I'll cosh a few for you. The side street by the lido hasn't got any cctv.)

btw, was it true that one sheep fell through a sky-light killing the worker beneath? If so, you're lucky that you lot aren't like scousers or you'd have a minute's silence every Saturday for the victims.

Bring back the sheep!

[Berni]

Haig was some sort of incompetent idiot by detailing just how superbly handled the British all-arms offensive was in the final defeat of the Germans when the Americans were still effectively largely a paper presence and where they weren't, were busy shoring up a French army that had effectively been a spent force since the Nivelle Offensives of 1917.

The interesting point it makes is that most of the problems caused by the Kaiserschlacht offensive were caused by Lloyd George refusing to release troops from a totally pointless home garrison duty to shore up the lines. And fog, oddly enough.

[Mo Britain less Europe]