Just had a rather unsatisfactory chat with the boss about

[Monty91]

working from home one day a week when my girlfriend goes back to work in January in order to save a day's childcare. Obviously I would make up the hours in the evenings and weekends (entirely feasible) as I won't be able to get any work done with a 9 month old crawling around.

He's said he doesn't want to set a precedent as staff are already pestering him to do the same (because they live far away, rather than because they have kids).

Is he being unreasonable?

[Berni]

Also, this working from home would involve you caring for the child full-time, wouldn't it? Which is not working, is it?

f**k off imo.

[Luis Anaconda]

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[Monty91]

It would be one day a week and I would make up the hours in the evenings and weekends. As long as I achieved this, surely it should not matter to my boss.

[Classic Jorge]

Get rid, you don't need that evil capitalist leeching off you anyway

[Monty91]

[Monty91]

[Berni]

you 'making time up'.

Basically, you've made the whole thing sound like a massive ballache/minefield from his perspective and I don't blame him for saying no.

[7evens]

It's not that difficult to monitor the output of homeworkers.
They generally skip the two hour lunches and twenty minute chat breaks at the coffee machine and often work much longer hours

[Berni]

big chunk out of the day.

[Monty91]

a couple of evenings. Why should my boss care when the work is done if it is not time-sensitive?

[Snin]

you will get f**k all dne as he well knows..you sir are a shyster and a shylock and he nose it imo..everyone works in eve etc anyway now so in effect you are asking for a day off.. did you offer to not take wages for that day ?

[Snin]

grow a pair and tell her to sort it out..it came from her c**t

[Monty91]

I am not proposing to work during the day. I know this would be Impossible with a child.

[Pat Vegas]

just because 2 people decided to give into their lust and have a kid or 2.

[Monty91]

[IUFG]

Compressed working week - 40 hours in 4 days.

he can still tell you to f**k off mind...

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Oh. I never thought you were that sort.

I'm more angry than disappointed. It's the betrayal of trust that hurts.

[Snin]

in effect for a day off and get paid! ? cnut

[Brentwood]

Alternatively, he might wish to pick up the phone during normal work hours to any of his employees. If he sends you a mail at 11 am, is he supposed to wait until he gets into the office the next morning to read your reply?

[Monty91]

wanting to make relatively small tweeks to their working hours, not a wholesale restructuring.

[Pat Vegas]

and making up the hours.

So Flex time.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Snin]

does the baby even look like you ? :hehe:

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

out with her? I think she's paying. :-(

[IUFG]

https://www.gov.uk/flexible-working

http://www.acas.org.uk/flexibleworking

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

He allows you to work from home then he has to allow others.

Does anybody in the office currently have any such arrangement?

[Berni]

[Pat Vegas]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

You know your rights, i, I expect?

[Monty91]

with reasonable promptness.

[Classic Jorge]

[IUFG]

I work in HR :hide:

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Monty91]

[Berni]

[Pat Vegas]

That's far too much.

But I can't stop.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Ffs. You'll be advocating pay rises soon.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Pat Vegas]

car. or leave the baby in the car.

Or if he is a garage I think it's acceptable. And if he gets caught he can pretend it's a suicide attempt.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

I've got to go to a wedding so I can only pop out for 5 minutes.

[IUFG]

[Classic Jorge]

In public sector organisations they can actually be nice sometimes

[Monty91]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

:hehe:

[Classic Jorge]

Unfortunately I have also been 'smoke free' too, which isn't a positive thing

[Brentwood]

[Pat Vegas]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[IUFG]

by being utter cnuts

* except redundancy of course.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Did your boss force you at gunpoint to impregnate your woman? Because if not, I'm not quite sure why your ankle-biter is his problem.

[Pat Vegas]

I reckon if I was loaded and left alone for a month I could stop.

Just stay at home and watch crap telly and eat.

I don't smoke when I am in bed. or have the urge too until I am up and about my usual business. It's weird. I could have a lie in on the weekend and have not smoked for 12 hours yet I am fine.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

[dismalswamp]

...point is that the work gets done, and working from home means doing that, not tossing it off all the time. Where you went wrong is offering to make up the hours, basically saying that you'll be doing f**k all in the way of work, so I can understand why your boss wasn't too happy. He does need to be a bit more forward thinking about the practice as a whole though, to be honest.

[7evens]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGCMyF-sA58

[IUFG]

make a whole load of people unemployed and then work the survivors into the ground.

*****************FREE MONEY*****************

there is a little more to strategic HR than that of course.

a little...

[Pat Vegas]

No point having any holidays as you didn't seem to enjoy this last trip.

If your partner is earning loads stay at home and quit your gig for a while.

Or pay the money.

[Classic Jorge]

That there were a lot of cost cutting initiatives going on was, of course, an utter coincidence.

[Berni]

Shrood, f. Shrood.

[Pat Vegas]

oooooh hello I am the electric fag zapp zapp

[Monty91]

[Classic Jorge]

The best thing is that you can smoke in doors

[Berni]

special dispensation in order to save a measly couple of hundred quid a month? f**k off!

[Pat Vegas]

when one has been circumcised I am pretty sure some lubrication is required. If someone bursts in and your all lubed up it's pretty hard to get out of that situation imo.

[Pat Vegas]

The missus has quit so it was a pain in the arse. But at least at the new place I am on the ground floor just step out the door.

[Monty91]

flat next door to Mesut Ozil.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Anyway, ask to take a defined period of absence on a 1 day per week basis.

My Mrs did it on the basis of every Friday and has stayed on the 4 day week ever since.

[Berni]

Same way nobody made you have a kid and nobody made you develop an expensive fine dining habit.

Cut your cloth.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

You're buying grass mate, not making a dinner appointment.

[Jake]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Pat Vegas]

[Pat Vegas]

[Monty91]

would not break us. But the money could certainly come in handy it is entirely viable for me to make up my hours across the week so I've tried my luck.

At no point have I even criticised my boss for playing hardball and of course I understand his point of view. But you don't ask you don't get :shrug:

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

I can't hang around McDonalds Highbury Corner wearing a top hat.

[Pat Vegas]

going in early one going in later?

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Anyone in particular I should ask for?

[PSRB]

[Berni]

[IUFG]

glwtp :thumbup:

[Monty91]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

wd i.

[Berni]

same time as you're getting the grass? Good man.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

I'm not sure he gets up that early.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Grass suggests you are going to lie down in Finsbury Park for the afternoon.

[IUFG]

[Berni]

[Witharby 2-3 weeks]

But you Caffliks had the lowest birth rate in Europe a few years back, may still have for all I know

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

I wish to take said grass on my gastronomic tour of the north next week, in case I have appetite issues.

[Jake]

I could help you out but I can't be bothered.

I'll be hungover tomorrow, soz.

[Berni]

And here's me the groom with a cold. Does he care?

[Monty91]

for his stance?

Do you actually consider it morally wrong for me to have even made the request at all?

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

c**t.

[Berni]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

He has far more important things to be worrying about than your seedy little existence.

Go to work, do your job, shut the f**k up. Let your boss concentrate on running the company. If you need help with your 'life', ask your mum.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

I can edit to get it in under the hour. Just.

[Monty91]

Further discussions next week. I reckon I might be able to push it through.

He let someone move country and carry on working for us. There's your "precedent" right there. :shrug:

[redgunamo]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

[Berni]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Good lord.

Enjoy the day.

[Jake]

[Berni]

stomach, here it comes' and then you all get tore in. No messing.

[Berni]

Mind you, your sentiments are much appreciated. Thank you.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

I'll throw this manuscript away then.

[IUFG]

can.

* shared parental leave or whatever it will be called.

Your boss will see how valuable you are. When you are not there. Or not. IYKWIM.

[R.C. Celebrating the return of Trophies]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL0CCphgmZ8

up the workers!!!

[Monty91]

January.

[redgunamo]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

It's institutionalised robbery, is what it is.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Covered for a year then.

[IUFG]

1 December 2014

Regulations relating to shared parental leave and pay will come into effect on this date and apply to parents of babies due (or children placed for adoption) on or after 5 April 2015 .

Maternity/paternity - employed mothers and fathers/partners who meet the qualifying criteria will be able to end the mother's maternity leave and pay and share the balance as flexible parental leave and pay. Mothers will still have two weeks' compulsory maternity leave (four weeks for manual workers), but they can then share the remaining 50 weeks' maternity leave and 37 weeks' pay.

ah, shared parental leave is what I meant. details, details...

[IUFG]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

I had the bad ****s the night before mine. Steadied myself all the same and had 6 or so pints of Guinness instead of a dinner.

Right as rain next morning.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

The Bank which employs Mrs SW allowed it.

[Monty91]

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

You're not actually making this up as you go along.

[IUFG]

the legal minimum has to be met of course.

in the case of paternity leave (for example) it is one or two week 'blocks'.

[Monty91]

Scandiwegia :yikes:

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[IUFG]

mum who works for Company X isn't still on maternity leave at the same time dad, who works for Company Y, wants to take the leave? Without breaching data protection, etc.


I am all for the laws being changed for the right reasons; but the practicalities of enacting them can be a bit arduous

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

I was royally screwed, back in work about 3 days later. That was it.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[redgunamo]

[Monty91]

of maternity. She'll be on statutory (136p/w) from now until January when she goes back to work.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

Monthly childcare costs at the moment are in 4 figures, and that is for 3-4 hours only after school on 4 days per week.

When 1 or other was in creche they were a lot more.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

it extremely good in terms of maternity leave/pay and then daycare costs.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

You realise that after the first. If you go again and get the full set no point in any more.

[redgunamo]

only seems to be worthwhile if you don't plan on actually having more kids.

Everyone's worked this out by now.

[Bergkamp's Brain]

[JohnnyPuma]

From the way you're describing it, it seems like you've asked him to do you a favour, basically.

Think more about how this could benefit him, rather than how it is of benefit to you.

I don' t mean to be dickish, I am sincerely trying to help.
He probably has enough to worry about, so the only way he's going to agree is if it makes sense to him. And if he is going to have more people asking the same, you should appreciate that allowing you to work from home would put him in a difficult position.

Saying yes to you and no to others could possibly cause a lot of unnecessary drama in the workplace.

[Ashberto]

I'd have thought that an internationally renown author living next door to Mezut Ozil would be dancing to his own beat.

[JohnnyPuma]

[Harry Balls]

grateful.

[The Tony]

Thursdays and Fridays...nothing to do with the racing of course ;-)

The first thing you need to do is stop calling it Working from Home.

The instant perception is - Here we go...this guy wants to fkin piss off on a Friday.

Going forward refer to it as...Working Remotely.

Works like a charm.

Next you need to put together a proposal (to submit to your boss) about why working remotely will bring added benefit, improvement, value and Cost Savings to the Company.

And don't just put random reasons....back it up with figures and how much extra money either in revenue or cost savings you will bring in by doing this.

You can include the benefits you yourself will derive from this project if you want but I like to put the gun to their head i.e. hey this how much money you'd make by doing this how can you say no???

Good luck with this...hope it works for you. I did all of the above and they didn't just give 1 day a week home...they gave me two and in fact I can take as many as I require...a few months back I worked from home for two weeks straight but that's only because the perception is there that I'm actually doing serious works and that I've delivered on everything I've said and got big results.

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

you remind him there are several other publishing houses out there and if he doesn't accommodate your wishes you'll instruct your agent to start talking to them.

[barrybueno]

nothin but a f**kin fraud imo

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

[Bergkamp's Brain]

House for too long. For obvious reasons, clearly

[Hendon Gooner (Only Easy Day Was Yesterday))]

due to the crap M25.

They bent over backwards to set me up for remote working.

It does help one's cause when one is indispensable to a project and not just somebody that makes up the numbers in a team.

:-)



I now work from home when ever I want...and nobody at my work has any concerns because I always deliver my work...

When one of the new staff members queried why I could work from work from home and he couldn't the head of dept. told him..."when you can get an outstanding achievement award from the business as he has..then you can work from home"....

:hehe: