So now the scotch are claiming the vote was rigged.

[Berni]

Alongside the **** it's dropped the Labour Party and getting rid of Salmond, this referendum is starting to become a gift that just keeps giving imo. :hehe:

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Isn't it time to consider crushing these rebellious scotches?

[Luis Anaconda]

with massive chips on their shoulders about the English ... oh

[Classic Jorge]

:hehe:

I reckon there's some sort of other agenda there

[Berni]

I do put a lot of this down to the truly awful idea of allowing children to vote about anything, tbh. They don't have the maturity to deal with the fact that they lost.

The referendum has been an excellent argument for raising the voting age to 25 imo.

[Berni]

is a pretty fair indication you're in the wrong, does it?

[Classic Jorge]

God save the something or other..

[Rich]

[The A*ntöniö]

[Mack]

[Dorset Gooner]

crazy idea to lower the age limit.

[Pokster]

until they are 25?

[Pokster]

fighting in wars until they are 25 as well

[Dorset Gooner]

I didn't say 25, b did. I said lowering from 18 to 16 to vote is crazy & I stand by that.

[Berni]

Think how much safer the roads would be. And how much nicer pubs and town centres would be.

[Pokster]

but obviously not as potty as that, that was just barking mad

[Berni]

the cause of most drunken street violence. Why would you be happy for such markedly irresponsible people to decide who governs us?

[Classic Jorge]

Oh hang on, I'm one of those too now http://www.awimb.com/images/smiley_icons/ohwell.gif

[Brentwood]

http://izquotes.com/quotes-pictures/quote-any-man-who-is-under-30-and-is-not-a-liberal-has-not-heart-and-any-man-who-is-over-30-and-is-winston-churchill-375541.jpg

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

the right time in the war. But for the war, of course, he'd be a relative footnote in history, but cometh the hour and all that.

[Berni]

Fortunately, of course, most of them are also too thick and lazy to vote in general elections.

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

Like 65 or something

[Luis Anaconda]

Can't really expect them to do that

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

He'd lived about 30 normal lifetimes before 1939. To belittle his achievements by referring to him as potentially a 'relative footnote' is coming it pretty high. Get back to me when you've led a cavalry charge, been captured by and escaped from the enemy, been a war correspondent, written bestselling books, been elected as an MP, risen to the cabinet, and been in charge of the most powerful navy the world has ever seen.

Relative footnote my arse.

[Bergkamp's Brain]

that could easily be applied to the elderly, mother of young children and divorced men in their 40s

[7evens]

Pissed myself when I read this.. :hehe:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29310512

[Berni]

In fact, his most significant actions prior to 1939 and all that don't particularly redound to his credit. His rather shoddy actions during the Home Rule Crisis of 1914 s and dreaming up the Gallipoli debacle would have been the things he was remembered for.

He'd have made an interesting entry in the dictionary of national biography, but historically, he'd still have been a footnote.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

If it hadn't been for the War of Independence, so would George Washington. If it hadn't been for penicillin, so would Alexander Fleming. You get the idea.

You can make all the disparaging remarks you like about Winston but you'll have to come through me.

[Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler]

However, I must say that he is one of the oddest looking f**kers I have seen in many a day, and I live in Ireland.

[7evens]

[7evens]

You'd have thought they'd have learned something here from the Tories when they all got behind that **** Hague.

[Pokster]

[Classic Jorge]

Why not disparage Cesc while you're at it and really send Sir C over the edge?

[7evens]

I don't think Jose was too impressed

[Classic Jorge]

Just to check, did you expect me to defend Milibot?

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Classic Jorge]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/12/New_Ways_Of_War2.JPG/440px-New_Ways_Of_War2.JPG

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Not really my thing.

[Bergkamp's Brain]

[Berni]

virtues in the peculiar circumstances of the Second World War. His dogmatism, unwillingness to compromise, his intemperate nature, his populism, his rhetoric and above all his quasi-mystical belief in English exceptionalism - all of which had made him widely disliked and lacking in political circles to the point of near ridicule - happened to be the right thing at the time. Which was lucky for all concerned.

He was cataclysmically wrong about an awful lot of things, though, and usually at odds with the tide of history. Also, nobody should ever have let the man anywhere near military strategy. Utterly clueless.

[Bergkamp's Brain]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

This from a man unwilling to lay down his life for the colours? Unbelievable.

[Berni]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Except prime minister, apparently.

[Classic Jorge]

Interesting man, interesting life

[Classic Jorge]

[Pokster]

[Berni]

http://79.170.40.183/grahamstevenson.me.uk/images/stories/wintringham%20with%20kitty.jpg

[Berni]

No wonder he escaped with special powers like that.

[7evens]

They had their obvious contender and threw him in the bin.
What goes around ..

[Berni]

As a result, quite a lot of people died unnecessarily.

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

Unfortunatelaaaah, I was born in a maaaahning valliage in south yorrrrrrrrrkshaaaaa

[Luis Anaconda]

Which I'm not sure is a good or a bad thing

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

He wasn't actually a very nice man.

[Berni]

[Luis Anaconda]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Sometimes I think that the only people left with a sense of honour are me and Willie Hague. Everything else has been debased by socialists and wimps.