OOOoooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Arsene Wenger's Magic
'E wears a magic hat
And when he saw the FA cup
He said 'I'm 'aving that

He made us wait for 9 years
Some thought he'd lost the plot
But now the monkey's off our back
We'll win the f**king lot


winning stuff feels great dunnit,

sooooooooo much better than coming 4th ;-)

[Nicosia Gooner]

[Monty91]

If we hadn't finished fourth, are you sure we'd have been able to buy Ozil who I believe you claim has been one of the main reasons behind our improvement this season?

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Monty does a Gibbs and fires over form 6 yards out.

Be happy mate, AW spent some faaaaaarking money and we won stuff.

spot the link or are you still all 'ooooh no, we cant risk going broke '

:shrug:

[Monty91]

Would you not agree that the latter was partly a consequence of the former?

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I'm just sooooooooo happy he came to his senses and realised the FA cup isnt 'a bauble' and is soooooo worth winning


although after the way he was treated by the players at the end I hope he isnt put off having another go, didnt seem to enjoy that bit very much :hehe:

[Monty91]

Strange way of showing more commitment to winning it!

[Nicosia Gooner]

manager has won it more, 6 times and that was in the 1880s

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Given that the money we spent on Ozil came mostly from tv money on the backs of the richest deal for the pl to date and that just 12 months earlier we were a selling club unwilling to give our best players any kind of competitive deal or invest in top top qualiteeee you position is somewhat undermined.
You cant go claiming 9 years of not spending money led to Ozils purchase, thats just crap.

[Monty91]

the player who you consider to have been integral to our new-found success?

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at winning a trophy you rate lower than coming 4th

[Monty91]

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you just didnt understand the answer.

to be clear.

Coming 4th last year had much much less bearing on signing Ozil than the vastly increased tv deal.

So, if in your strange little mind coming 4th means winning the FA cup the next year can you please explain the lag between 2006 and yesterday

[Peter]

Hmmmmmm

[Monty91]

that persuaded Ozil to sign for us, as much if not more than the fact we could better afford him having qualified for the competition.

Are you really certain he'd have signed had we not finished top four?

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I'm just really happy we won the FA cup.

I've always loved that trophy and hated we didn't take it seriously.

You, on the other hand are getting all wet about something you've deemed insignificant and unworthy compared to coming 4th in the league.

You're trying so hard to be all superior because you feel your sycophantic devotion to AW has been justified you can't see the irony in celebrating a trophy you've vilified previously.

As I said, just be happy, we both got what we want.

[Monty91]

but on balance (and it is has never been an easy decision) I've always favoured finishing top four as I think it is absolutely essential for the development of the club (in order to win more trophies, fingers crossed).

Anyway, thanks for acknowledging your point about Wenger trying harder to win the Cup this season was utter *******s :-)

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but without that massive boost to the coffers that the tv deal gave us you can be damn sure we wouldnt have spent 42m on anyone. the rest is all afters.

[redgunamo]

:-)

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you don't get out much do you.

enjoy the sun, that's all down to you too.

[Monty91]

was essential to us achieving the success you are today celebrating?

Interesting...

[halfsharkalligatorhalfman]

our position in Europe's elite for so long?

[Peter]

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Ambition in recent years.

Thankfully the club have reacted to massive downturn in membership renewals that has occurred because of that singularly limiting lack of ambition. They might even have noticed the discrepancy between the commercial deals they can negotiate compared to those of winners and clubs intent on winning and aiming for more than just qualifying for the qualifiers of the CL.

Today I'm celebrating winning a trophy that matters hugely in the domestic game. What are you celebrating.... a f**king poppadum?



'The domestics are fantastic accompaniments to winning proper trophies, but that is all.'

[Peter]

Which is a similar amount of money.

[Peter]

Yesterday felt f**king good didnt it?

It felt better than finishing fourth even though it isnt.

[redgunamo]

:hehe:

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I've never lost my voice when we finish fourth :hehe:

[Monty91]

[Monty91]

it was essential to the success you are today celebrating?

I mean, you don't have to. Don't worry, I won't force you :-)

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'Glad to see you have found the good grace to pretend you're pleased'

For someone who thinks 'footballers don't give a **** about domestic trophies' and 'The domestics are fantastic accompaniments to winning proper trophies, but that is all.'
what exactly are you so happy about today.

Finally starting to get the point about trophies now are you?

[redgunamo]

You know, do the thing properly.

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[Peter]

[Monty91]

whilst at the same time being a) disdainful about finishing fourth and b) acknowelding we may not have signed him had we not finished fourth.

Once again, I'm really sorry to pressure you like this, but please could you clarify your feelings about finishing fourth,as right now it all seems rather muddy.

[Monty91]

[redgunamo]

[Monty91]

[Peter]

Its just you know,mthe whole 'its not just about trophies and the fa cup is ****' thing.

Never mind.

[redgunamo]

If you don't then not so much.

[Monty91]

Arsenal, it is also a key aim of every season.

[Monty91]

It is a bit ****, in the sense that anyone can win it. I mean, Wigan won it last year for f**ks sake. And even Hull nearly won it this year.

Winning it is great and yesterday was fantastic and I genuinely loved seeing us win something after so long, but I want to see us win the bigger trophies which is why I've always favoured us finishing fourth than winning domestic cups as i think it's essential to our chances of doing so.

[Peter]

:-)

[redgunamo]

3 or 4 FA Cups over the past nine seasons would've made Veng's job so much easier, wouldn't they.

The facts concerning financial doping would've still been there for all to see, but failure to even win a single FA Cup, you know, like little Wigan Athletic, suggests sour grapes.

[Monty91]

Which is why when Wenger was asked if the last 9 years have been a success, it wasn't that he didn't want to answer, but that he couldn't.

[Peter]

But i am not in the mood :-)

I am glad you enjoyed it though.

[Monty91]

top four and a domestic cup.

Of course 3/4 cups would have made his job easier. But not qualifying for the CL would have made it harder.

[redgunamo]

[Peter]

Mention the financial restraints.

[redgunamo]

In fairness though, He is probably utterly baffled by the fact that so many managers and supporters have failed to understand His lead, even after all these years.

[Monty91]

won the FA Cup, I would have said I'd be absolutely delighted, but if it was accompanied by finishing outside the top four, I would consider it a very enjoyable consolation, but nothing more.

[redgunamo]

It's the financial restraints wot has kept Him in a job all these years.

[redgunamo]

in your denunciations of the merits of us winning the FA and League cups.

Probably led by our manager, to be fair.

Maybe it's not so much that you (both) aren't correct, as that it simply didn't need saying, footballistically. Especially if one is going to go all gooey at finally winning one of them http://www.awimb.com/images/smiley_icons/ohwell.gif

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clearly embarrassed to having your previous thoughts re the FA cup exposed.

I have no qualms about anything I've posted on here.
4th place is not a trophy, it is an achievement.
A good one to repeat so often.
I think we could and should have done better with the players we had.

Wenger's about turn on spending and competing are exactly what I've been arguing for the last 4 years. He still has more to do though if he's serious about competing at the top table.

I'm happy.

I wasn't, when he clearly had no interest in going for the domestic cups and sacrificed potential success in them because of an upcoming improtant game. Sadly it often led, more often than not to a spate of poor results in other competitions.
You applaud 4th place, I argue had he been braver we could have enjoyed more success, which would have led to better deals more money and better players etc etc.

[Monty91]

I think you may be presenting a straw-man argument. Those of us who place a lot of importance on finishing top four do so partly because we consider it essential to winning trophies.

The fact that you acknowledge we may not have signed ozil without it, and that Ozil was key to this season's success, surely means we are in agreement?

As for Wenger taking the cup more seriously, how can you say that when we rested more players against Liverpool this year than e did against Bradford last?

[redgunamo]

You said it yourself; anyone can win the FA Cup.