Why is caring about your club's finances seen as incompatible with caring about it

[Monty91]

footballistically?

Why is it so terrible that most conversations about football include at least some reference to financial affairs?

And why, if football really is just business now, is it still so damn popular?

[redgunamo]

when compared to money.

[Luis Anaconda]

[Monty91]

has given people like Tim Payton, whose breasts have physically impaired him from ever playing the game and learning of its technical and tactical nuances, something to talk about.

[Pat Vegas]

bull**** statements about what money we have/what money they have etc. No facts to back it up. (not everyone, some people study this well)

Where as football you can see the action and at least you can have an opinion of what you've see or about to see based on previous years.

It's the whole we can't compete because of the money stuff that also infuriates me. We can compete and have done so this season.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

'caring about your club'. I don't care how much money the club has in the bank, nor how much it pays directors or shareholders, nor how much profit it makes. I simply want the club to be healthy and secure, because I care about it.

[Monty91]

training, you can't really form a valid opinion when they play in competitive matches, quite simply because you don't know what the potential is.

['Neg]

£150m we have to spend on transfers.

[Pat Vegas]

If you are around some people who don't follow Arsenal or football in general. You can look like a smug c**t when you say Wenger is going to bring on such and such at the 75 min mark.

[redgunamo]

earn the right to conclude whether a movie stinks or not?

[Monty91]

But I do think it is ok to care about your club's finances, it is is in relation of its on-field success. There *is* reason to be proud if your club achieves success in a prudent fashion.

[Pat Vegas]

I suppose this is why you also are into Cycling?

[Pat Vegas]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Sadly, a great percentage of the population vehemently rejects concepts of prudence, morality and decency.

End of days. May the Good Lord please send the rain. Send it now.

[Monty91]

they may make a better movie.

This metaphor needs some dogs in it. Can you help?

[Luis Anaconda]

Look at the players

MARK Schwarzer
Richard MONEY
FRANK Sinclair
SOL Campbell
RYAL Ferdinand
CASHLEY Cole

Chris BAHT-Williams
Tommy COYNE
David SILVER

DONG Fangzhuo
Javier BALBOA
FLORIN Răducioiu

Of course this team would have to play tiki TAKA :cooper:

[Monty91]

disingenuous scum. The "love" they claim to have for their club bears no relation to any definition of the word. They are in it for entertainment and nothing else, and as soon as they are denied it their true motives are revealed.

It is utterly contemptuous.

[Classic Jorge]

Comes across as a giant, giant cund

[redgunamo]

whatever else in life we care about too. A big sporting event is essentially a financial bonanza for everyone, not just those who actually care about the games in question.

I used to feel sorry for the inconvenience created for those who don't like or care for football every time there's a big tournament, say. Until I realised this.

[Pat Vegas]

[Harry Balls]

[Monty91]

even though he spends every night watching Albanian 3rd division matches on his own in a dark room.

Well that's what he's always said he's doing in there, anyway http://www.awimb.com/images/smiley_icons/ohwell.gif

[Pat Vegas]

I think they are far more into the football action.

Where as were are on the outside of the 'big spenders' So we have to put this up as a defense. you are right on this one.

[redgunamo]

After all, a director who failed to give the fans what they wanted doesn't last long in the business, does he.

I may want to win trophies but it makes no difference to my dogs either way. The best dog in the show is always the one you take home with you, as they say. Or as football supporters put it, we'll support you ever more.

[Monty91]

But then I am a misanthrope away from football, too.

[Classic Jorge]

[David Pleat AHADF (Royal Welsher and monkey lover)]

Championship the fans talk about getting into the PL so they can play Arsenal, United City etc the answer will alsways be that the money is nice and they can bring in better players but with the top clubs fans its an obsession.
Even Everton this season have started talking about money more and more.

[David Pleat AHADF (Royal Welsher and monkey lover)]

where or who the f*cking owner is only that he hasn't met his payments and you cant afford to keep your captain, so you have to release him, and probably all your best players who underperformed last season whilst completely f*cking up the chance to goto Wembley, and then the prem clubs come round sniffing players with great potential for titbits...........Its all too much :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

[Luis Anaconda]

[Peter]

[redgunamo]

the club actually comes to rely on people who don't actually "care" about football in general or your club in particular.

People in the third world for example. Or Roman Abramovich. Or your club's commercial partners. Naturally because you need their money, as the best staff, which you need to stay up there and "compete", cost far, far more than any club can afford to pay with mere gate receipts from die hard supporters who actually go to matches.

[Mack]

Or maybe not..;-)

[redgunamo]

lording it over them for decades.

[7evens]

succesful ?

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

and we watch a great footballing team.

How lucky are we?

[7evens]

Presumably, in the same way that these aspirations were removed from birth for the supporters of most other clubs.
The Premier league being these days divided into four mini leagues isn't something to savour and probably explains my most detached interest in the sport since god knows when.
I hope Wengers latest clarion call for the banishment of FFP abusers gets implemented, otherwise we may aswell resign ourselves to a three way trophy carve up for the forseeable future, at which point I'll probably turn to crown green bowling.

[David Pleat AHADF (Royal Welsher and monkey lover)]

[redgunamo]

rather than fewer?

The Bundesliga could use a few for starters.

[redgunamo]

[7evens]

Hell in a handcart surely ?

[Luis Anaconda]

they can cherry pick the best players of even the second-best team in the country. That's working well

[7evens]

Probably teaching granny to suck eggs here but their system is much fairer than ours. Fan ownership is big over there and at least ticket prices are affordable for all, which is a nice bonus for the poorer sections of society.

Munich have always been something of a super power but at least the likes of Stuttgart, Bremen and Wolfsburg have won the league in the past decade.That's something akin to Villa or Stoke winning it over here.

[Peter]

After all, we are still supposed to be a football club arent we?

I think so. At least i hope so.

[Luis Anaconda]

but most of those clubs are unlikely to challenge Bayern's hegemony in the forseeable future. And pardon me for thinking your - and many English fans - views of the Bundesliga are a touch naive to say the least. Yes the fans get a better deal, but as for the clubs being "owned" by them do me a favour. They are as much at the whims of billionaires are our clubs are only their owners come in the shape of massive companies. Bayern are powered by BMW and Allianz, Wolfsburg's success all came about through money plowed in to it by VW. Dortmund may be a success but they are going to suffer soon, I would say. Bear in mind they almost went out of business and still have a pretty unstable financial model

Also since 2000 five different teams have won the Bundesliga, four have won the Premier League - hardly a big difference

[Ashberto]

and it's because it's the most followed sport. What you really hate is people, but you just view this obsessive hatred through a footballistic lens.