This halal business, why would anybody care how their meat has been blessed?

[Classic Jorge]

If you're a christian, jew, hindu etc you accept the primacy of your gods and all others are invalid. If you're an atheist you know there is no such thing as god.

The only possibly religious objection you could have would be if you were an agnostic.

And dont get me started on the cruelty argument, if you eat meat you accept there's slaughtering involved and anyway, 90% of halal meat is stunned beforehand which is roughly the same as non-heathen methods.

I could be wrong but isnt this just a toxic combination of ignorance and racism?

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

If you even suspected that a specifically 'christian' method of slaughtering animals was the tiniest bit less humane than a secular method you'd be screeching like a scalded cat.

[Classic Jorge]

If you eat meat you accept that there's an amount of suffering involved, you're just splitting hairs if you care about methods as there's no way to prove anything when you're buying it.

So is your subject here basically that I'm pro-muslamic or anti christian?

[Pat Vegas]

[Berni]

not greatly bothered by that, I do find it interesting how quickly certain people are prepared to ignore such things in order to defend a bizarre religious practice - as long as that practice is an Islamic rather than a Judaeo-Christian one.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Would you say buying only free-range eggs and chickens is 'splitting hairs'? Would you say that seeking higher-welfare RSPCA approved meat is 'splitting hairs'?

I'm saying that you're predictably anti anything the Guardian tells you you ought to be.

[Berni]

counterparts are against - that you have no ideology other than that defined by your 'enemies', in other words.

[Classic Jorge]

Having toured a meat plant in the dim and distant past I'd be amazed if any f**ker swept up, let alone undertook any sort of religious or cultural food rituals.

[Mo Britain less Europe]

[Mo Britain less Europe]

[Classic Jorge]

..hairs.

If I gave a monkey's about animal welfare I would be a vegetarian.

I'm not even going to grace the guadian stuff with an answer as you know it isnt true.

[Classic Jorge]

[Monty91]

[Snin]

you..if it makes the dumb religous feckers feel that it means they can eat some eat who im to give a ****e tbh.. considering the joo's n towel heads have little qualms about killing each other it does make me chuckle they then get all saintly over there kosher / halal bolognaise

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

If the torture of an animal doesn't matter to you, then you should probably be on a register somewhere. The fact that it DOES matter to me doesn't make me a racist, or ignorant.

It DOES make me a prime mover of the Amerikan-Zionist Bankers Thatcher UKIP Global Conspiracy, naturally.

[Snin]

[Classic Jorge]

I've plenty of ideologies, they may not be the most consistent but they're there

[redgunamo]

The ritualistic stuff is just for show.

[Snin]

[Berni]

be perfectly OK as far as you're concerned?

[Classic Jorge]

I also buy good meat, stuff with provenance and bought from a good butcher. I dont pretend it's out of any fluffy animal welfare angle though, well treated meat tastes better.

If you actually really gave a f**k you wouldnt be eating its carcass.

[Berni]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

does not make me a racist.

[Classic Jorge]

It's still much more logically consistent then assuaging your carnivorous guilt by having a picture on the box of the field it supposedly gambolled around in before you decided it was fat enough to eat.

[Classic Jorge]

[Snin]

im that bloody superior and right on imo ..its funny to see two chaps who lampoon the guardian pseud corner style of left wing, green gobbldgook writing get so wrapped up in so much of it themselves tbh..putting restrictions health and safety and rules on capitalism so to speak..i think you've found their soft left wing weak point imo ..as if some texan right winger meat factory owner would give a ****e without controls beings forced on him...

[Snin]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

organisations which define it as a less than humane method.

[redgunamo]

[Classic Jorge]

[Snin]

[Classic Jorge]

[Snin]

:rubchin: almost like an agenda is at play... :rubchin:

[Berni]

Consistency is the hobgoblin of small minds, j.

[Snin]

its how i want to go

[redgunamo]

a human applies the coup de grace whilst whispering a special incantation in its ear. If the animal is already gone when you get there, it's just too bad.

Yeah, right :****er:

[Snin]

bloody dolphins and whales and everyone gets knickers in a twist...just because its our poor slanty eyed friends eating them imo

[Ashberto]

which you find ok as it enables the "one rule for you, another for me" game.

Without consistency, there can be no such thing as a principle. In principle, at least.

[redgunamo]

[Ashberto]

[redgunamo]

[Ashberto]

The neo-cortex being the bit that handles the higher conscious states.

[Berni]

It's a principle of mine.

Principles are overrated. They're what people who don't think so good have instead of thoughts. Much better to have a sense of morality and a half-decent mind and deal with things on a case by case basis imo.

[redgunamo]

[Snin]

crusteceons ? if anything is killed inhumanly its them..rod caught means being punched to death or clubbed then left dying in a boats hold..big factory nets just as bad if not worse...but no one gives a ****e really...sad scences

[redgunamo]

[Ashberto]

Ironically, for this discussion, I abandoned vegetarianism many many years ago in an act I described at the time as 'a principled stand against principled stands'. And the fact that I was eating cheese sandwiches in the work canteen every day while everyone else was having roast dinners for a similar price.

I don't think you can have a morality without some set of policies or principles as a starting point, and I reject your rejection of consistency.

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

[redgunamo]

until they arrive in injury-time still needing a goal.

[Snin]

wot u talkin bout willis ?