After that botched execution that caused the prisoner to die,how do we feel about the death penalty?

[The JBear]

[Luis Anaconda]

[Classic Jorge]

Leaving aside the logical inconsistency of "killing people is bad, therefore if you kill people we'll kill you" it's just plain wrong.

The thing I find really interesting about the argument in the states is that the anti Big Govt/Libertarian types seem broadly in favour of it, like somehow it's not the ultimate interference in someone's life, ending it.

[Pokster]

been.

[71 Guns - channeling the spirit of Mr Hat]

am completely and implacably opposed to it now. To the point of it ever being reintroduced (I know) in this country, I would leave.

[Guns 'n' Roses]

[Snin]

a second worrying about how scum like that die imo.. in fact id watch with popcorn and cheer thevfecker and laugh in the dying cnuts contorted face

[Classic Jorge]

You simply cant go killing people as a punishment for killing people, or anything else for that matter. It makes you no better than them and that's no basis to govern on behalf of the people with.

[Luis Anaconda]

[The JBear]

kind of an 'eye for eye' style of judgement that is open to mistakes. However, I find myself emotionally drawn to accepting it, and even encouraging the idea of it, whenever I read about the details of the people who have either been killed due to it or are currently on death row.

Of the two in the news due to this story, one shot a 19 year old girl and buried her alive, the other raped and killed an 11 month old baby. Even allowing for mental issues, those are both entirely unacceptable crimes on any spectrum.

[Snin]

wouldnt YOU pay to watch Tony Blair get slowly injected and dying in pain ?

[Berni]

It only serves a desire for vengeance and that isn't what the law if for.

[Monty91]

[Snin]

[Classic Jorge]

Also, 99% of deterrent based arguments seem to handily justify people behaving like utter cunds, not just in the penal system either.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

the various mentally subnormal (usually black) and often innocent people whose deaths they cheer?

[Classic Jorge]

[Snin]

love down the barrel of a gun..best way to have peace ? spend 2% of GDP on guns and killing machines to make world peace ..luvily country..inbred retarded cnuts

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

How do you feel about Hispanics, b?

[Curly]

made compulsory at school (as it was in mine)

[Classic Jorge]

"The federal death penalty data released by the United States Department of Justice between 1995–2000 shows that 682 defendants were sentenced to death.[9] Out of those 682 defendants, the defendant was black in 48% of the cases, Hispanic in 29% of the cases, and white in 20% of the cases."

[Berni]

ones, which suggests there's more than just law at work here.

As for Hispanics, well they're OK, I guess. Can't say I like their food, though.

[redgunamo]

[Classic Jorge]

It's almost as if there's some sort if inconsistency at play here snin, tell me it aint so. I've always had you down as a man of great moral certainty.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

:thumbup:

[Berni]

[Berni]

western democracies, so that rather f**ks the deterrent argument, tbh.

[Brentwood]

support the death penalty in their own country?

[Curly]

[Curly]

USA: 33,000 gun murders per annum
UK/Australia/Denmark/France/Sweden/Spain/Germany: 130 per annum

[redgunamo]

planet though, even if they are all living on death row at Pelican Bay or wherever.

99% of Africans would swap with them in a heartbeat.

[Brentwood]

[Berni]

That's not really the point, though, is it?

[Brentwood]

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/25/norwegian-pri son-inmates-treated-like-people (http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/feb/25/norwegian-prison-inmates-treated-like-people)

For me, there is something extremely unpalatable about a crim living like that, but if we are talking about deterrents, hard prison conditions are probably not the most effective

This was quite a good observation about it though:



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There's certainly an element of PR exercise about Bastoy, according to friends who have visited for pieces such as this and academic works. At first I thought "well, PR for what?" And then I watched a documentary about Arizona Sherriff Joe Arpaio, who has a philosophy to punishment in opposition to this: keep costs low, brutalise and dehumanise prisoners, punishment ahead of rehabilitation. He was acting as PR for a republican governor and the potential of committing to a capitalist approach; Bastoy is PR for liberal reform. Both are extremes of their philosophy, but no less interesting for it. It would be helpful to read full statistics on recidivism and for most people - cost.
Both make people uncomfortable though. It's easier to put people into concrete blocks and not look at them.

[redgunamo]

and gun-toting lunatics need to show more passion?

[Peter]

[Luis Anaconda]

[Berni]

[redgunamo]

[Berni]

[Peter]

[Luis Anaconda]

[redgunamo]

[Curly]

[Luis Anaconda]

[redgunamo]

[Classic Jorge]

[Peter]

:-)

[redgunamo]

[Classic Jorge]

[redgunamo]

As I say, find sources you trust; ask them yourself.

[Classic Jorge]

[Peter]

Any data he provides is going to be on hounds anyway

[redgunamo]

[Classic Jorge]

I'd imagine France, which has a sizeable afro-carib population to be ahead of that, for instance. It has a decent GDP and socialised healthcare, for starters.

I'm calling bull**** on him, basically.

[Peter]

You might be right.

[redgunamo]

[The JBear]

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

we might as well ask those three too.

I like the idea of African Geezers though, is Dar es Salam Dave a bit tasty?

[Peter]

An utter delight they are. They all said you are talking **** :-)

[Classic Jorge]

[redgunamo]