I can't agree with modd moaning about Chelsea playing Anti-Football. For me they did exactly what

[Pat Vegas]

they needed to do last night.

Just because some styles are easier on the eye that others it doesn't mean that that style is the wrong style. Chelsea did their homework and won it fair and square. Could have been 4-0 last night.

Pre-Wenger we played very boring style at times. 1-nil to the arsenal and all that. I doubt people would call it Anti football.

[Luis Anaconda]

it just doesn't fit the narrative that Mourinho is a defensive manager who always plays negative football. The anti-football jibe is a bit of a sad joke really. Having said that Mourinho is still a massive c**t who I would happily punched for his attention hogging running down the touchline *******s yesterday

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

from finding our football easy on the eye, I find it rather vain and pyrotechnical. Reminds me of a jazz musician that can deliver a complex scale at breakneck speed but couldn't come up with a decent melody to save his life.

[Herbette Chapman - aged 15]

[Luis Anaconda]

[Pat Vegas]

http://www.chelseavideos.co.uk/Gifs/Wenger%20Helicopter.gif

[Pat Vegas]

Benefit to it is that when we have the ball that much at least we have possession.

[Luis Anaconda]

[Pat Vegas]

Looks like premature celebration into wanting to spin into the ground to hide.

[Luis Anaconda]

[Ashberto]

[Peter]

Ripping us apart 6-0 a few weeks back.

Didnt see a tremendous amount of football from us

[Berni]

[Luis Anaconda]

which I remember to be a rather big part of football

[Pat Vegas]

[Peter]

Always good to see footballers adding to their skill set :-)

[Brentwood]

about their tactics or style

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

'Beauty is truth, truth beauty,— that is all
Ye know on earth, and all ye need to know.'

[Pat Vegas]

don't even know who he means when he referred to a team as the 'money spenders'

[Brentwood]

[Pat Vegas]

Like when Wilshere scored that goal earlier in the season.

But really it should happen more often when we play that style.

[Peter]

[Pat Vegas]

[Peter]

Stick your fancy faggot ****. We need a few leaders out there, etc etc.

[Peter]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Berni]

Have we had 'passion', 'tippy-tappy' or 'CAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHNNNTS!' yet?

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

emulsion?

It would certainly have been a more efficient means of covering the plaster.

[Peter]

Ray parlour, there was a lad who put a shift in.

[Berni]

Hang on, there's an opportunity here for a 'papering over the cracks' joke, surely?

[Peter]

Great art is great. **** art is a soiled canvas.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

f**k it, they should have just left it bare plaster. Why bother trying to make something beautiful? After all, we are just soulless beasts, aren't we?

[modd]

got it right that many english teams think that only way to win it is to play anti football.

i can understand it in 1994 when we had a limited team and could not play attacking football to win cup winners cup

but when you have a team full of internationals from overseas and do it when you could win it playing good football then i find that depressing as someone to watch

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

I hope that when you die your personal hell is watching Sam Allardyce teams for all eternity.

[Berni]

[modd]

dortmund play or a chelsea play you would not perfer a team that play football dortmund to play to win

i just think they play joyless winning football. they play some nice football at times but its functional football. likes of liverpool and dortmund play far better football even if its less sucessful.

[Pokster]

Man U are having a shocking season (by their standards) and played as well as they could in the home leg (created better chances than Brian)

[Peter]

Great art doesnt mean you dont hsve to roll your sleeves up and get sweating.

[Peter]

And that is up against some pretty stiff competition.

[Berni]

Oh, God! This is all reminding me I'm going to have to go through the grim business of selling and buying houses again. :cry:
I'm going to have to start caring about things like fitted wardrobes and local amenities, aren't I :-(

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

the resign yourself to exceeding this when your woman sees the one she wants which is just a tad more than you'd bargained for...

[Berni]

one gets suspicious. Unforgivable of me.

I know you would never really use the phrase 'put in a shift'.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

You are a One Direction fan.

[Classic Jorge]

More than anything though, Mourinho's teams are characterised by a pervasive cynicism, which will basically employ any tactic that is expedient at that point. In this sense he's very much like sralxfrgsn, it's not that there isn't a philosophy or ethos, it's just that the ethos is to win at all costs.

Great if you admire that sort of thing, not really to my taste though

[modd]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage& v=HxooHmtohs8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HxooHmtohs8)

i am pointing out that two of richest clubs in the world can create teams that don,t have to ruin big european matches through just parking the bus

but look i admit anti football is sucessful. united parked the bus vs barca over two legs in 2008 in semi and won

chelsea park the bus vs bayern and barca in 2012 and won.

so did liverpool vs chelsea in semi in 2005 and in second leg in juventus in quater final of 2005

its effective and wins trophies buts its not enjoyable to watch

[Luis Anaconda]

[Berni]

haggling.

We're only just starting to see the light at the end of the divorce tunnel - do we really have to be exposed to yet more of mankind's basest nature by wading through the ordure of house-buying as well? :-(

[Peter]

I might not love art but i have a good sense of smell

[modd]

inter in 2010, chelsea in 2012, man united in 2008 , liverpool in 2005, porto in 2004

its easier to win the whole thing playing dull power football then to play open attactive football.

the two leg system suits powerful fuctional teams who play on counter attack then the teams who go all out attack from the off

unless your a exceptional team like millan team of early 1990s or barcelona team of the 00s, the functional powerful football wins through in this tournament

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Bland, perhaps, but efficient. And even you would have it comfortably warm.

[modd]

that if your a netual and want to see good football to win champions league, you won,t get it from a lot of english teams who go out their and shut up shop.


like pep said yesterday its effective but dull to watch

[Peter]

And as pride in the shirt..........

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

What have the socialists done to you, Peter? :-(

['Neg]

I'd like to see how he'd get on without the drugs.

[modd]

bought by a russian billionaire who without him their be nowhere near as succesful.

[Luis Anaconda]

You aren't a neutral though

[Pokster]

which i guess is what it is all about

[Berni]

[modd]

style but he right that english teams often park the bus in big european matches despite spending millions of money

look at city at home to barcelona. one of most expsensive teams in the world and yet they sat back most of first half before going down to ten men against barcelona. this despite spending endless money

[Peter]

Anyone who loves him so much that they cant see that ramrod is a dreadful, dreadful song has forgotten art and has fallen for the artist.

If truth is beauty then ramrod is a lying sack of ****

[Berni]

Sorry, but it's important to get these things right.

[modd]

winning without playing open end to end football. its basically a approch of we sit back defend most of the gamae and then occasional counter attack score through power goal and then thats it

its effective and more easier to win in europe that well then taking the braver more risky open end to end attacking approch.

[Peter]

Estate agents and brokes are without the doubt most incompetent and dishonst people i have ever dealt with.

f**king hell, even local councils are more efficient.

[Berni]

[7evens]

waking up at the weekends, comforted in the knowledge that every thing works and that you don't have to spend a huge amount of energy in tearing down walls and living amongst dust and debris for months.

[Berni]

Why are they necessary, exactly?

[Peter]

I had to think twice before writing separate the other day. I was almost in tears.

I am going mad, slowly.....

[modd]

the style of football chelsea played last night. i admit i was not a netual last night as i dislike chelsea immensey but even if i was not a netual i would hate to watch the power set piece football they play.

[Berni]

three-hour dump.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

OUT! OUT VILE DEMON! THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS YOU!


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a7/Gold_Christian_Cross_no_Red.svg

[Peter]

They offer a 'service' now. Quite what that is i couldnt work out. I recall coming closer to violence with them than i have ever done with real people.

Arson even crossed my mind.

[Peter]

Smell was the set list.

[Luis Anaconda]

[Peter]

Ashamed of you.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Struggling to pay a mortgage, freed from the tyranny of maintenance and heating bills.

[Berni]

They're forever building houses there.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

They have furniture made just a wee bit smaller than normal to make the rooms seem bigger.

But yes, there's going to be loads of such places.

A nice 3 bedroomed semi on an executive estate. That's what you want.

[modd]

im sure i understand thats netuals like to watch quick fast entertaining football

[redgunamo]

[Supermac1976]

[Pokster]

the defending part is not anti football, it is a way of playing that will rely on counter attacking

[redgunamo]

[7evens]

There are big new estates that have sprung up all along the A120 from the M11 up to Braintree but I'd proceed with caution.
I used to live in Great Dunmow around 20 years a go, nice litle market town at the time but obliterated by new builds over the years. That's progress, I suppose.

Saffron Walden still has some charm but then there's the people, b, ... the people. : shudder:

[Peter]

But everyone is dull, ignorant and casually racist.

I bought an old house. It is pretty ****.

[modd]

when you sit back for three quaters of a game and counter attack for quater of it that anti football as your not looking to counter attack or go forward at every opputuinity but only at times in a football match

dortmund approch or jupp bayern showed you can play counter attacking football but do it for more then quater of a game and do it in quick fast and entertaining way.

chelsea way is effective buts it not good football to watch

don,t tell me chelsea were entertaining when they won it in 2012.

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

Decreed, no less, by the great Johann (peace be upon him)

['Neg]

unless they use systematic blood doping at the club.

[Luis Anaconda]

the way the game was played by inventing counter-attacking football, it is quite an odd position to take really

[7evens]

Gundogs by the fire, Sunday papers in the rack and Huffers

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g503775-d3171976-R eviews-The_Compasses_Inn-Chelmsford_Essex_England.html (http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g503775-d3171976-Reviews-The_Compasses_Inn-Chelmsford_Essex_England.html)

[Berni]

Besides, I prefer casual racists to the really intense ones.

[modd]

some dodgy amount of fitness of the ball under pep of the ball. buts that a different issue altogether.

[Berni]

back then - albeit right up itself.

[modd]

time. you can,t compare the attacking counter attacking approch we played to functional way chelsea teams have won trophies. you just can,t mate

we played far more entertaining football during the ivensiable era then that power chelsea team of 2005 did.

[Peter]

I moved to colchester. f**k me it really is a **** hole.

That said, there is an art centre here. Chelmsford had an ic skating rink and several nail bars.

I saw a nice exhibition of some jet engines on sunday. Most intereeting it was.

The cultural highlight of my two years in chelmsford was chas n dave playing at the leisure centre-and i missed it!

['Neg]

[Luis Anaconda]

[Peter]

And unfortunately we had some greeks, a couple of asians and even one black bloke on our team. The stuff that got said to us every week was unbelievable.

Chelmsford is peaceful, clean and fairly efficient. It is also boring, massively over policed and a cultural vacuum.

Quite expensive now as well.

[Berni]

He lives in the woods and does up gyppo caravans.

[Classic Jorge]

[Peter]

Spurs, obviously.

[modd]

or just do it few times in a game like chelsea or united do

[7evens]

I used to also like to get down to the old fishing harbour on Mersea Island to scoff oysters and some great seafood for a third of the price at J Sheekeys.
Denham shouldn't be too far either. Le Talbooth or The Sun.

[modd]

['Neg]

[redgunamo]

[Berni]

being racist, but [insert incredibly racist statement here]' I've had since coming here. Makes the London Borough of Bromley seem as culturally diverse and tolerant as a Coke advert by comparison.

['Neg]

Individual players at most. This is certainly the case at Real for example. Players like Xavi Alonso and Ronaldo and previously Zidane.

I think at Bayern it's the entire squad. At Barca it is/was the entire Catalan core + Messi.

imo.

[Classic Jorge]

[Peter]

They assume you moved out to get away from foreigners and are therefore one of them.

[Berni]

with his instrument and gives an impromptu performance. I hope never to be there when he does that. :-(

[Classic Jorge]

Also, when you say 'imo' what is the 'o' based on?

[Berni]

[redgunamo]

Their football is great, of course; at their best, I don't think I've seen better. But they're no angels.

I think what they do is terrific.

[Classic Jorge]

A chap might counter that you're becoming an only slightly more urbane version of SW.

[Classic Jorge]

You just hate their eschewing of a number 9, admit it

['Neg]

of various performance enhancing and non-enhancing products and a fascination for the subject since pre-internet days. Always been a keen follower of cycling and also pro bodybuilding for a while in the past.
I have read many materials ranging from the underground steroid book to statements from Ronaldo saying no-one has ever seen any doping ever in football.

[redgunamo]

In fact, that quote of "mine" is in fact a JC-inspired one.

[Berni]

Personally, I couldn't give a flying f**k if they call their ethos 'Johann Cruyff's Arcane Sex Magick', I don't support them and therefore don't care.

And I'm going to ignore your 'slightly more urbane' crack. 'Slightly[, indeed! Harumph.

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

I'd say that's a million times more wrongcocked

['Neg]

[Berni]

[redgunamo]

In any case, the point is, sort the forwards out and the rest takes care of itself. That was the spirit of Cruijff's words.

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

[redgunamo]

insisted on having at least two of the world's best strikers in their team at all times.

All the rest is just fanny-dancing guff, imo.

[Berni]

No really big, set-piece battles, both sides pretty incompetent, no real tactical or strategic innovation and - frankly - not enoug dead. Just a bit boring, really.

[redgunamo]