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Classic Jorge
03-11-2014, 01:30 PM
For Arsène Wenger, the lesson of history is unkind. There have been only two occasions in the 21 years of the Champions League when a team have made it into the next round after losing the home leg first. Ajax managed it against Panathinaikos in 1996 and Internazionale did it against Bayern Munich in 2011. No team, however, have ever managed it from a two-goal deficit – never mind trying to do so against the five-times champions, currently steamrollering everyone in sight.

Where to start with Arsenal's opponents? The Bundesliga, perhaps, where they have won 22 of their 24 games, drawn the other two and could conceivably wrap up another title by the end of March. Bayern have scored 24 times in their last five matches in Germany. They are 20 points clear, with a goal difference of +61, and it is almost 18 months since they lost a domestic game at the Allianz Arena. Pep Guardiola's side are unbeaten in 49 Bundesliga fixtures, on a 16-game winning streak, and Manuel Neuer has conceded only three goals in 2014. Arsenal's opponents are, in short, becoming a monster of the sport. "We've won the last 16 games," Thomas Müller reminded everyone. "Every player wants to win. We're not careless or arrogant, we're dominant."

For Arsenal to break that is going to need two things. First, one of the more coherent performances any Wenger side has put together in the modern era. In that case, Wenger said, "it is possible, that is the most important thing. I believe that my team has quality and ambition. We can do it."

Yet the second point is that, even playing at the point of maximum expression, Arsenal will need Bayern to lapse into the carelessness that was evident when Wenger's team won 2-0 in Munich last season. Bayern, with a 3-1 lead from the first leg, were guilty of some rare complacency that night and it was the same again when they let a two-goal lead slip against Manchester City in the group stages this season, losing 3-2. Already qualified, Guardiola's team had seemed almost demob-happy before the game turned. "We got a bit complacent because we had grown so used to winning," Müller said. "That was a warning to us."

The problem for Arsenal is that a team of Bayern's knowhow and experience is unlikely to make the same mistake again. Guardiola issued exactly the same warning and, though Wenger sounded like he meant absolutely everything he said, it was not altogether convincing that he had to go back over 10 years to argue his point.

"The statistics are against us but we won 5-1 against Inter at San Siro [in November 2003]," Wenger said. "I would also say we have won everywhere in Europe. We scored two goals in the last five minutes against Everton [on Saturday] so we don't have to be nervous. We can be patient. We just have to focus on the quality of our game."

Wenger has to make his players believe this is not Mission Impossible but Inter finished fourth in Serie A that season, 23 points off the top, and did not make it out of the group stages of the Champions League, also losing 3-0 to Lokomotiv Moscow. That was the year of Arsenal's Invincibles, with a front three in San Siro of Thierry Henry, Robert Pires and Kanu. There really is not a great deal in common between then and now.

What would change the complexion of the night is if Arsenal can score first. "It's vital," Mikel Arteta, sitting next to Wenger, said. "Then the game changes …psychologically, the game starts and that's where we can have an advantage."

All the same, there was an element of straw-clutching among Wenger's pronouncements. Bayern scored seven over their two legs against Barcelona last season. Kieran Gibbs is injured, meaning Thomas Vermaelen will have the unenviable task of trying to subdue Arjen Robben, and Arsenal will also have to get by without Wojciech Szczesny, sent off in the first leg in the incident that prompted Wenger to renew his complaints about the refereeing decisions his team have encountered in Europe.

It felt like a premeditated speech – a weak one, too – including concerns about the appointment of a referee from Norway because "the closer they are to a tough league, the more chances they have to detect the tricks that can decide a game".

Wenger has a thick portfolio of grievances about perceived injustices, headed by the red card for Jens Lehmann in the 2006 final. He mentioned Robin van Persie's sending-off at this stage in 2011, also against Barcelona, and the Arsenal manager appeared to start describing this pattern as "suspicious" before changing it to "special".

It came out on tape as "sus-pecial" and there was no argument from Wenger when a journalist referred to him saying suspicious. Arsenal's press office emphasised afterwards the word was "special".

What can be said with certainty is that something extraordinary needs to happen if Bayern's defence of the trophy is to unravel from this position. The champions seem far more prepared for a difficult assignment than they were a year ago.

"Two-nil is a good score but a dangerous score," Guardiola said. "The quality is there [at Arsenal]. When I analyse the first game, we saw the quality of [Santi]Cazorla, we saw what happened until [Mesut] Özil missed the penalty. We know now they can create two or three really great chances in two or three minutes. That nine minutes … they were the nine minutes in this season when the opponent was better than us.

"People think '2-0, you don't have a chance in Munich' but that's the main problem for us. We have to attack, give our best, be aggressive without the ball. I do not want to see Özil controlling the game." For Özil, and Wenger, it is going to need one of the great Arsenal nights.

Rich
03-11-2014, 01:33 PM
So anything else is a bonus, right?

Strangely, City's exit of the FA Cup has made me even less nervous as there is now a much lesser chance of us finishing the season empty handed again.

Sir Charlie of Nicholas
03-11-2014, 01:36 PM
Surrender to the inevitable, j.

Classic Jorge
03-11-2014, 01:38 PM
I'll start out hoping to escape a beating, it'll get worse if we get one though.

Jake
03-11-2014, 01:38 PM
That said I sort of regret wearing my Flamini shirt to the library now.

Monty91
03-11-2014, 01:39 PM
was with specific instructions to score our first in the second half.

Senile old French ****y :rolleyes:

Classic Jorge
03-11-2014, 01:39 PM

Classic Jorge
03-11-2014, 01:40 PM

Monty91
03-11-2014, 01:41 PM

Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler
03-11-2014, 01:41 PM
This match is the epitome of carefreenotgivingaf**kness.

Classic Jorge
03-11-2014, 01:41 PM
you could potentially be herded off in a big Granada TV van and dumped in the audience for Jeremy Kyle

Classic Jorge
03-11-2014, 01:43 PM
from the content of your posts you seem to mostly feel a mixture of distain and fear of change.

Sir Charlie of Nicholas
03-11-2014, 01:43 PM
scared of meeting, is there?

Jake
03-11-2014, 01:44 PM

Rich
03-11-2014, 01:44 PM

Sir Charlie of Nicholas
03-11-2014, 01:46 PM

Classic Jorge
03-11-2014, 01:46 PM

Jake
03-11-2014, 01:48 PM
Thank god I'm sitting in the children's section.

Luis Anaconda
03-11-2014, 01:49 PM

Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler
03-11-2014, 01:56 PM

Red N White Army
03-11-2014, 02:00 PM

Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler
03-11-2014, 02:00 PM
Okay, they were playing against 'utter ****' but they did it very, very well.

And then they have a couple of big lads up top who can literally win a game on their own (as such).

Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler
03-11-2014, 02:02 PM
Just about an hour ago one of those street charity beggy c**ts approached me in a manner as to suggest we high fived, I gave him a look which suggested he backed off and to be fair to him he did.

c**t.

Classic Jorge
03-11-2014, 02:04 PM
http://footballburp.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/roy-keane-selfie.jpg

Steve Williams - gay for Mark Knopfler
03-11-2014, 02:06 PM
I spelled out the word "c**t" with my own eyes.

Alexism - Atheoist
03-11-2014, 03:05 PM
a Bayern right side that terrorized us in the first leg is what makes me most nervous of all.

If Gibbs were playing I'd feel so much better...