So they've nicked Moazzam Begg for Syria-related terrorism offences.

[Berni]

Would that be the same Moazzam Begg who was constantly on telly and in the papers telling us how outrageous it was to have put him in Guantanamo for just having happened to have been in Afghanistan when the Taliban were in charge? The same one who's had to be prevented from going to Syria by the confiscation of his passport? The one who definitely isn't a muslim extremist and terrorist?

Does like a holiday in a warzone, doesn't he?

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Also, Thatcher. :swiveleyedleftieloons:

[Berni]

And...y'know... anyone else.

[Classic Jorge]

it does slightly take the piss that in the UK it's effectively against the law for anybody to join any army but the birtish one.

[Berni]

[Pat Vegas]

[Luis Anaconda]

You can't just choose the ones with the nicest costume

[Classic Jorge]

Also, he's only been arrested so lets extend the same courtesy to braaaahn people that we do to everyone else and assume he's innocent.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Are you thick or something?

Also, Thatcher.

[redgunamo]

rural Yorkshire to avoid that sort.

[David Pleat AHADF (Royal Welsher and monkey lover)]

[Classic Jorge]

[redgunamo]

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

He was worried about being arrested for serving in a foreign army. Well, that's what he said. He may have been a serial killer, of course.

[Rich]

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

[Classic Jorge]

[Ashberto]

and his policy of making an anti-Russian army of rage boys. This army of rage boys was then transplanted to Bosnia to foment civil war there, where they were also backed by Iran, Saudi-Arabia and the emerging influence of Osama bin Laden.

Further radicalisation was achieved with the shrill support of liberal-left politicians and journalists, making them out to be the sole victims in a complex conflict, creating hysterical levels of self-righteous rage which was soon turned against those who had nurtured them, as we have seen in New York, Washington, London and elsewhere.

[redgunamo]

[Berni]

How we laughed when he did it and then they opened all the borders :hehe:

[David Pleat AHADF (Royal Welsher and monkey lover)]

[Berni]

[Pat Vegas]

[Luis Anaconda]

I would imagine it was deal more complicated than that

[Classic Jorge]

[redgunamo]

[David Pleat AHADF (Royal Welsher and monkey lover)]

much American with his family.

[Snin]

next door ? this politics is a load of crap eh B ? No rhyme or reason and they all cnuts so I'd give up bigging up one side or the other tbh now... imagine if someone in your family had died fighting this lot if in afghan or iraq..now we back them in syria..and we giving the afghan territory back to the people who killed your family..pointless ****e isnt the word really is it ? ..they all lie to us the whole time ..all sides B..cnuts to a man

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[David Pleat AHADF (Royal Welsher and monkey lover)]

[Snin]

not far wrong really on both sides...wouldnt trust an israeli or an arab imo

[Luis Anaconda]

[Snin]

the arsene wenger of international dictators imo maligned and misunderstood

[Luis Anaconda]

[Ashberto]

ISTR you being asked by a soon-to-be-convicted criminal to fly him to Argentina!

[Berni]

[redgunamo]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Yes. Robust would be one word.

[redgunamo]

Unless it does :rubchin:

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

I was never likely to make it to Argentina in a puddlejumper, of course. Le Touquet is about the limit of my foreign travels in light aeroplanes these days.

[Luis Anaconda]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

for being in La Legion.

He even showed me his képi, if that helps.

[Ashberto]

"I explained to the president that this support would in my opinion lead to a military intervention by the Soviets."

Decades later, and not much seems to have changed. But hey, they're OUR Islamist fanatics / Nazis, right?

[Snin]

will have to tone it down till all booked up

[Snin]

[redgunamo]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[redgunamo]

I effect, we're all on the same side. Like Champions League football clubs.

[Ashberto]

The wonderful thing is that it is possible to go around starting war after war for fun and profit, while always blaming the designated bad guy, who the scribes and hacks kindly demonise for the benefit of an uninformed public.

At worst, two or three million people might notice what's happening and march through London but that's no problem - just carry on anyway and by the time the body count approaches half a million, attention will be on the next one, or the one after that.

[David Pleat AHADF (Royal Welsher and monkey lover)]

[Classic Jorge]

Or at least a funky given

[redgunamo]

believe their own eyes. Should we take them seriously?

How about the BSM; should we take them seriously too and recuse ourselves from the European Cup because it's full of people we don't like?

[Ashberto]

I'm struggling a little with the European cup simile up there too. My apologies for being slow today.

[redgunamo]

long as we stop all the nonsense about principles :shudder:

:-)

[Ashberto]

I look forward to seeing the working as to how everybody benefits from this. Depends on the definition of 'everybody', I expect.

[redgunamo]

The beneficiaries are, of course, anyone we live with and care about. Who else is there :shrug:

[Ashberto]

I'm an anti-interventionist.

In this case that means not egging on one side with continual diplomatic support and massive wheelbarrows full of cash, to the point of overthrowing a democracy. In general terms it means not doing the whole liberal-interventionist/neocon warhawk thing that's been going on for the last 20 years now.

If, OTOH, someone was to say "look, actually we're doing this to encircle Russia because we ultimately want to pilfer their geological wealth" then that would at least be recognisable, old-school, pillage-driven imperialism.

There's a Big Lebowski type quote there, but I'll leave it to Jorge or Supermac if they show up.

[redgunamo]

Nobody really believes it. Anyway we certainly don't.

[Ashberto]

I do find the Orwellian double-speak highly deceptive though. The public is repeatedly told that Western support for the coup is 'mediation', while Russia's objections are 'meddling'. A democratically elected leader is described as a 'dictator', and the foreign-sponsored violent overthrow of his government is described as a 'revolution'.

Lies. :shrug: