These jockanesers are f**king mental.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Berni]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

They want to be independent but to keep our money? They can get to fúck.

[redgunamo]

[7evens]

Let's see em continue with free university education, after they warmly embrace the Euro

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

That's quite a project.

[redgunamo]

military deployments. Burns' Suppers, for example.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Ooh, one could become quite irritated by them.

[Classic Jorge]

Apart from to ship billions to the US for substandard equipment at ruinous rates, obviously.

[PSRB]

http://www.moviebits.co.uk/productimg/brave/brave_shield3.jpg

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Brentwood]

accepted? :popcorn:

[redgunamo]

:hide:

[Berni]

and smear it all over themselves and have hookers lick it off their pale, flabby, gingery bodies if they so wish. In one sense you can't blame them for taking the piss.

[Brentwood]

to speak of. Glasgow could become the next Baghdad :cloud9:

[redgunamo]

[redgunamo]

[Classic Jorge]

It's not defence though, we've not been under threat of invasion in living memory, it's also certainly not to subsidise an already massively over subsidised defence industry (what other industry in the UK is subsiised by roughly £26k per person employed) as we're now farming contracts out for fighter planes to the US.

I literally dont get why we need such a huge, overfunded armed forces and why the anti-'big-govt' people dont see it as such an affront as useful public sector employees.

[Snin]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

We haven't been under threat of invasion since the late 1980s, when being in possession of a strong military deterrent played its part in breaking the Warsaw Pact. At present we don't have an obvious local threat, but once glance at a history book will tell you how quickly this can change. All this is quite apart from our political and moral commitments to maintain a force capable of intervening in overseas conflicts if required, or for the protection of British subjects overseas.

[redgunamo]

ABG types actually want it spent on. Rather that than the feckless and useless, I mean.

[Berni]

[redgunamo]

[Berni]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

We do that **** remarkably well, don't we?

[redgunamo]

[Classic Jorge]

How many times have we needed this huge military in recent times? Not used, actually needed?

I do suspect it's mostly as you all like war films that you all have such a boner about the army.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Aren't there a few old 303s left round the back somewhere they could use for the ceremonial stuff?

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[redgunamo]

[Classic Jorge]

Have you not noticed that, for the best part of the last decade the army has been so unnecessary that it's been fighting a war against an abstract concept, just for something to do?

[7evens]

Jorge wisely believes that such a hiatus warrants total disarmament :shrug:

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

I'm running the risk of becoming irritated and rude, and I don't wish to do so.

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

I mean, the last time british sovereign territory was invaded was by the americans ffs

[redgunamo]

You can't have it both ways :shrug:

http://www.awimb.com/fudforum/index.php?t=tree&th=544492 &mid=3716629&rid=345&S=f41a7ed29dd45651b77d3b186 b743932&rev=&reveal= (http://www.awimb.com/fudforum/index.php?t=tree&th=544492&mid=3716629&rid=345&S=f41a7ed29dd45651b77d3b186b743932&rev=&reveal=)

[Classic Jorge]

[PSRB]

:see Canada or Belgium

[Classic Jorge]

I dont get what "taken seriously" means though.

The thing is, we arent really pressing any sort of advantage over other people, we're basically following the US lead. Recent history (falklands, grenada) suggests when we do need our allies, they dont give a monkeys.

[7evens]

[Classic Jorge]

It's only Russia, the US and Saudi Arabia that spend more as a percentage of GDP on defence.

[7evens]

Irrational behaviour.

Pretty thankless task when you think about it.

[Classic Jorge]

Especially when we've not really needed them for, at the most conservative estimate, 30 years.