Dont get me wrong, I appreciate some of his work but this Phillip Seymour Hoffman business...

[Classic Jorge]

.....is it not just a slight, little, tiny bit over the top?

I mean, good character actor and he died (relatively) young in a sudden and horrible way but people seem to think we lost Jack Nicholson, Al Pacino or Dennis Hopper here.

[Dutch Gooner]

:homer: ....great actor :hide:

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

He wasn't on the verge of discovering a cure for cancer, was he?

[PSRB]

excellent in Mission Impossible III :-)

25th Hour is a great movie

[Classic Jorge]

It just seems a bit OTT.

Grief Vultures imo

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[Classic Jorge]

BIG LEBOWSKI, BOOGIE NIGHTS!!!!!

[Red N White Army]

[Pokster]

so basically if he hadn't f**ked up he would have been quite happy to pick his kids up while as high as a kite.

[redgunamo]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Yes.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

[Classic Jorge]

I do like his OOoowaaagh though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSCY90nCr6M

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

I think you drive better on skag. It makes you concentrate harder.

[Luis Anaconda]

[PSRB]

[Monty91]

Or are you just talking about Twitter? :rolleyes:

[Classic Jorge]

['Neg]

[Classic Jorge]

I've bumped him down to acquaintance now

[Hendon Gooner (Only Easy Day Was Yesterday))]

Dustin Davis.... :bow:

[redgunamo]

[Classic Jorge]

The ****ty tar stuff, and more accurately the stuff it's cut with, will kill you over time. The good stuff will kill you right away if you miscalculate, especially with needles.

[PSRB]

thought he was mid fifties

[devongunner]

and he died with a needle in his arm. I think Hollywood should be saying what an idiot not what a tragedy

[Berni]

I remember once drinking with Sir C and having to be reminded by the barmaid top pick my daughter up.

Not a great moment in parenting, granted, but it hardly makes a chap Fred West.

[Classic Jorge]

Not that I didnt pick those actors out of my arse.

I'd be genuinely sad if, say, Steve Buscemi died though.

[redgunamo]

If you follow..

[Berni]

[Luis Anaconda]

I am not entirely sure what that means though

[Monty91]

"upset" or "shocked" when an acquaintance dies.

"Gutted" carries the requisite lack of gravitas to fairly represent the fact that he was, ultimately, a stranger. You are "gutted" when the local Chinese has ran out of your favourite dish and you're "gutted" when a bloke who appeared in some of your favourite films died.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

How can a film 'mean a lot' to you? It's a film.

[redgunamo]

[Berni]

dose, not realising that their tolerance has lessened. Or they get hold of good stuff when they're used to rubbish and use what they think is their usual dose.

Both good arguments for monitored legalisation, of course. But there you go.

[Classic Jorge]

I must have missed something, I thought synecdoche was decent and I didnt see Capote but really not sure where people were 'touched' by him.

[PSRB]

but the time of life that I associate it with

[Berni]

['Neg]

[Classic Jorge]

[Monty91]

It would probably be an exaggeration to say it changed my life, but for the duration of the movie and the period of contemplation that followed then I guess it briefly did.

[Red N White Army]

[Curly]

He dies at the end

[Classic Jorge]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Berni]

perspective, I'd have thought the massive quantity of heroin in their system probably softens the blow somewhat. After all, that is rather the point.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

3 days and he's up again.

[redgunamo]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Gutted my arse.

[Classic Jorge]

btw I didnt know the person but it wasnt the high point of my childhood

[Monty91]

wbo between them have been responsible for some of the most moving films of the past 20 years.

[Classic Jorge]

I didnt shed a tear, that would be weird

[Curly]

[Monty91]

[Berni]

Also, I do think there's something unhealthy about a chap who's that obsessed with teenagers.

[Luis Anaconda]

[Classic Jorge]

Kaufman just seems largely to be an exercise in pretending to be deep in an endearing kooky way, sort of like when Gen Y'ers pretend they have a soul when really it's an analogue camera.

Solondz just makes me uncomfortable, I've never watched anything of his more than once.

[Classic Jorge]

You're right though, he was definitely a bit weird about Molly Ringwald, which is a bit weird in itself

[redgunamo]

hundred years or so, as the place we tell stories and perpetuate both myths and truths about our own lives.

Yes.

[redgunamo]

[Curly]

[Mack]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

"This mark on this rock is where the giant lizard king rested for a moment whilst creating the world." No it's not. It's just a rock. And you're telling lies dressed up as worthwhile culture.

[Classic Jorge]

I'm a faithful man but jeesus I was tempted.

I could have been her Emilio Estevez, damnit!

[Berni]

I can't help but feel it would have looked silly. And did he go up slowly like in Panto or quick, like a Champagne cork? And at what point did everyone stop waving him goodbye and skulk off home?

[redgunamo]

[Mack]

At the end of their natural lifespan of course..

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Good luck with the whole 'getting into heaven' thing, mate.

[Classic Jorge]

A sport invented because Rugby wasnt brutal enough

[Berni]

You'd have thought it would have worked the other way around, but apparently not. It had the upside that even sailors drew the line at raping the women, apparently.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Chief Arrowhead]

adrenaline in the chest would have helped.

[devongunner]

Isn't it cheaper to let the odd one kick it?

Then we can carry on spending cash on more dopey schemes dreamt up by Lib Dems

[Classic Jorge]

[Berni]

Mind you, the look of most aboriginal women and the fishguts would have made any need for abortion pretty academic imo.

[Classic Jorge]

[Hillary]

[devongunner]

started. Would it be easier if I just disagreed with what you said about Hoffman?

[redgunamo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dztQhGg2uRc

[devongunner]

[Hillary]

A hint here; it would be phenomenally cheaper to do so.

[Berni]

aftermath. Much better to deal with it relatively cheaply beforehand, surely? And make a profit by selling the drugs?

[devongunner]

. Anyway interested in how you KNOW it would be phenomenally cheaper. Is there research? A pilot scheme? I am not against it by the way. Actually even if it was more expensive but had other benefits.

My original comment was a little tongue in cheek about cost of monitoring while letting people get not too high so they kill themselves. I fully understand that for the families of the addict nothing is so expensive if it can save the life of their loved one. Bit like the cancer drug lottery really!

[devongunner]

Just because the Govt is selling it. Those who want it still have to get money to buy it. If those taking it can't get enough one assumes there would rapidly be a black market?

Perhaps I haven't understood fully what you mean by monitored legislation

[Hillary]

The cost of the global drugs war dwarfs that of Iraq and Afghanistan combined - and it's been even less successful.

There's a lot of good information on this site on the topic - not keen on the style of it, but they are one of the most respected voices on the subject and have the backing of a lot of senior politicians.


http://www.tdpf.org.uk/case-for-reform

[Classic Jorge]

[devongunner]

[Berni]

men. The Government can easily undercut illegal suppliers to a degree that makes it simply not worth selling. They can also offer it to users on a means-tested basis and ration it reasonably well to reduce the number of unfortunate incidents (one can never get rid of them entirely, of course). Most crime is caused by the price and fluctuating supply for the drug, not by the drug itself. Take away those motives (or lessen them hugely) and you have a vastly reduced criminal and medical bill.

[devongunner]

It quotes a lot of figures without explaining the make up of them.

Where is the evidence that heroin users will only use regulated sites if they are available. Its not like going for a beer or smoking a joint.


The war on drugs is not really a war. Since the US and Uk enetered Afghanistan poppy production has increased. This is because it is the only livelihood of many in that country so the US/UK couldn't afford to wipe it out as it would have created many more Taliban

Its not a simple issue and I actually agree there has to be a middle ground. Maybe legalised with a napalming of poppy fields not approved could be a way forward as whatever happens you would still need to absolutely wipe out the black market for it to work.

Only certain thing is that it isn't easy and is a nightmare for anyone involved

I do believe drugs is a tragedy and do understand addiction.

[Classic Jorge]

[devongunner]

problem. A little bit just isn't enough

[Classic Jorge]

If you restrict the supply of something what happens next? :rolleyes:

The only way to destroy a market is to make production unprofitable.

[Berni]

[devongunner]

The discussion was/is about exactly that, monitored legislation. ie restricting the supply so it comes through Government only. I made a point which you didn't read about poppy production in Afghanistan, something I happen to know a little about. If monitored legislation is the way to go you have to be absolutely brutal about containing the black market. In Afghanistan you need to buy the crop and then burn any other crops that are outside any agreement for this to work.

You are a very angry man

[Classic Jorge]

You just suggested napalming people's land and I'm supposed to be cool with that? Also, you seem to find the concept of supply and demand alien.

You, sir, are an idiot

[devongunner]

I suggested napalming poppy crops that were outside any agreement to buy for a government to enable monitored legislation. This is in order to disable any attempt to continue with a black market.

I am not anywhere disagreeing that legalised drugs may not be a solution just discussing in order to be able to have an opinion. It means the opinion is likely to be much more well reasoned than if I just shouted the odds simply because I disagreed with something you said days ago.

[Pokster]

[Classic Jorge]

[Classic Jorge]

[devongunner]

[Classic Jorge]

[Pokster]