Why would someone leaving university with a fresh qualification need to rely on benefits?

[Ears are alight]

Would they not by definition be pretty employable? They probably should be.

Would they not have planned ahead to secure some sort of living even while at Uni? They probably should have.

What sort of person would spend three to four years in full time education, including running up student loan debts etc, only to then say, ok world, where's the living you owe me, rather than here's my plan for making one for myself?

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

There certainly must be some reason for this bizarre attitude which is so very current.

[Classic Jorge]

[Maravilloso Marvo]

As I have never taken a penny in benefits of any description from the state and have never dreamt of even considered it an option. I have worked non-stop, full-time from the moment I left education. During education I worked several different part-time jobs that I could have relied upon to drive further into had I needed to so I could survive when my education finished.

[Ears are alight]

[Ashberto]

Even those with proper qualifications, in something useful, might struggle in an economy with no-to-little growth, investment or dynamism.

The previous guvmint made an incredibly stupid assumption when it expanded higher education. It looked at the prosperous middle classes (people like itself) and asked "what do these people have in common? Oh, a university education. mostly. So let's encourage everybody to get one of those and then everyone will be middle class, employed, and prosperous. Hurrah!"

They ignored that fact that more educated people chasing the same amount of jobs does not create jobs. Only a vibrant, healthy economy can do that.

[Jake]

A very small percentage (from what I know) secure work whilst still finishing their degree mainly due to there being some many factors that can complicate this.

Proportionally a significant amount of students go to university outside of their home, so once their degree is finished it's likely that they'll be seeking work where they can live with their parents (if possible) as they no longer have the loans for rent.

Also, most people like to have the summer 'off' so to speak (rather than go straight from their degree to searching for a full-time position), which doesn't seem massively unreasonable to me.

[Billy Goat Sverige]

graduate position and even more for your regular jobs i'm not sure how you can expect everyone to have a job lined up for themselves when they graduate.

So in the period between graduating and finding a job they get no help?

[Bergkamp's Brain]

a desmond in history isn't going to get you a great placement, is it?

[Classic Jorge]

It'd probably suggest that people arent walking straight out of university and into their dream job.

[Pokster]

I signed on for 10 months after I was binned, never crssed my mind not to do it (the fact I had to to get the mortgage insurance had nothing to do with it)

[Classic Jorge]

[Billy Goat Sverige]

apprenticeship is going to help. You'll have the same probalem with tradesman as you do with graduates.

[Pat Vegas]

Lazy generation.

My brother is of this age. Any way to delay not working the better.

Could be snobbery too. They expect now they have a degree they will swan into some easy gig and don't want to put the hard work starting at the bottom.

[Maravilloso Marvo]

Just my mentality I guess.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

What was supposed to be a safety net for extreme cases is now seen as an entitlement for everyone. Now we have a generation of entitlement junkies who expect everyone else to pay for them unless they fall into the perfect, high-paying job.

It makes me sad, really.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

I'll be f**king thin before I accept charity.

[Maravilloso Marvo]

Take it back to when communities ran this kind of thing for themselves. Everyone pays in and they can take out if they can't work.

[Fedor]

[Ears are alight]

responsible for that individual's destiny than they themselves.

Personally speaking if I was going to spend three years in education again, I'd have a bloody good plan about how I was going to pay my way both during that period and after it, and it would not rely on benefits to make sense.

[Ears are alight]

[Fedor]

[redgunamo]

[The Tony]

Like my mate whose got 2 degrees and a Doctorate in Math


Surely you can be a school teacher or lecturer....surely they weren't dreaming about becoming some NASA hot shot...

[Maravilloso Marvo]

She has a cracking job.

[Jake]

Things often don't work out that smoothly, especially considering the current competition for job vacancies.

Many of my friends are still unemployed (not for want of trying) after graduating months ago despite have first class honours etc. Whilst they're not on benefits who's to blame anyone to sign on if they're actively seeking a job (not an ideal job, but a job) but nothing is coming of it with any immediacy? :shrug:

[Classic Jorge]

http://gaygeek.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Mona-Lisa-Restoration.jpeg

[ITSUPFORGRABSNOW]

I am 51 and was permanently employed for 33 years in the City in the Reinsurance Industry and then was dumped by a faceless bint in Nova Scotia, not to worry, got another job after three months, I broke my ankle just after I was made redundant so could not really work till then anyway. Three months in I got approached by another firm and a year after going to them was made redundant again. This time I am finding it incredibly difficult getting anything and I only qualify for 6 months of 70 quid a week and have to apply for loads and prove it. After that, sod all as I am contribution based ie they give you a little back out of your own contributions. It aint no picnic

[Maravilloso Marvo]

[Fedor]

[Classic Jorge]

[Maravilloso Marvo]

This thread is about the UK job market.

And no, I said a cracking job. That means one that pays well imo.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

"Financial statements published by the Trade Union Certification Office show that almost 40 union leaders have received six-figure pay packages in the past year, including one union leader who received £230,000."

[redgunamo]

Contraband cartels recruit straight from uni too.

[Pokster]

[Ashberto]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Fedor]

kinda slow here

[redgunamo]

[Maravilloso Marvo]

I thought you were an ambitious chap?

[Hendon Gooner (Only Easy Day Was Yesterday))]

One of my friend's does math's tutoring....Charges around £50 per hour...

Laughing all the way to the bank....

[redgunamo]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Why, I've never even dreamt of such riches!

[Maravilloso Marvo]

That is the ambition I want to here from a driven man like you.

[Pokster]

[Ashberto]

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Funnily enough I had a meeting with my 'wealth manager' today, which consisted mainly of me weeping and asking, 'when can I pack it in, WHEN?'

He is of the opinion that my lifestyle needs require me to keep at it for a bit. Frankly I'm just about at the end of my tether with it, and may choose to sack it all off, compromising, on the lifestyle issue.

[redgunamo]

pay £50/ph just to learn mathematics.

Does no-one care that we invaded Iraq specifically so that nobody would ever have to do algebra or trig ever again?!

[Maravilloso Marvo]

[Pokster]

and still be able to live a comfortable life...... 10 yrs max imo

[redgunamo]

[Maravilloso Marvo]

Just go higher risk and let it all pay for itself.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

A Thai beach hut might be the answer. V could work in a bar or something.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Maravilloso Marvo]

[ITSUPFORGRABSNOW]

Bit of a shock after 33 years. And because I did work bloody hard for years at least I have a nice house and no mortgage and a bit spare. It won't last long with a Daughter at Uni mind you. Will probably see if I can get anything i shop work over xmas. No previous experience though apart from bar committee at the Cricket Club a few years ago. Don't underestimate the mental side to your confidence and the knock on effect to marriages etc.

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

[Maravilloso Marvo]

[redgunamo]

Perhaps someone will mistake you for one of those and offer you a barrel-ful of used banknotes to uz some dodgy businessman or lawyer?

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

Trust me :-(

[Pokster]

[Ears are alight]

both during study and afterwards.

[Peter]

[redgunamo]

I'm not saying that you're.. um.. Oh dear :-(

[Sir Charlie of Nicholas]

D'you want me to oppress you again?

[redgunamo]

[Hillary]

Classic Conservatism in action.

[Ashberto]

[redgunamo]

[Ears are alight]

[redgunamo]

[Nicosia Gooner]

[redgunamo]

[Peter]

Which was that your original statement appeared to conclude that unemployment is a result of poor planning.

You dont actually believe that do you? No, no ,of course you dont. I am being silly :-)

[Peter]

[Peter]

I would imagine you reaped the benefits of a subsidised education as a young man. Now you begrudge an unemployed graduate a little bit of job seekers allowance.

What a c**t :hehe: