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Nicosia Gooner
09-20-2013, 07:45 PM
Perhaps people like Shearer, Carragher and Hansen should read this article before opening their big mouths

http://www.fresharsenal.com/a-case-for-the-arsenal-defence/


A case for the Arsenal defence
Posted by: Oli Price-Bates in Arsenal, Blogs

Written by Joe Simon:
I decided to write this after the announcement of the Ozil transfer. Arsenal spent over Ł40 million on one of the top attacking midfielders in the world, and whilst most fans were shouting out with joy, or putting little dots over their o’s in their twitter name, it seems many people think the money should have been better spent elsewhere. Namely the ‘shaky defence’. From all quarters it seems that people think Arsenal’s defence is weak and needs considerable strengthening. This has bugged me for a while, simply because I can’t understand it.
Now don’t get me wrong – its obvious that for the first half of last season the defence was shipping far too many goals. Costly individual errors had us down in 6th place, and like Kyle Walker being caught up field and out of position again, we were chasing hard to get back where we should be. This was due to a mix of not knowing our best combination, coupled with a few niggles being carried secretly (Vermaelen!). However, this was just the first half of the season.
Once the pairing of Mertesacker and Koscielny were forced together after a horrendous run, culminating at the defeat to Spurs (where the offside trap failed like a Benitez mind game), the results skyrocketed. In case you haven’t seen the stats for the pairing, here they are:
-Arsenal had the second best defensive record in the Premier League for the entire season.
-Arsenal conceded only 14 goals away from home, the best in the league (and Arsenal’s best in a decade).
-The pairing of Mertesacker and Koscielny had a record of 9 wins, 5 draws, and 0 losses. This includes the clean sheet against the eventual Champions League winners in Munich.
-They conceded only 5 goals in the last 10 games, the only goal conceded away from home since the middle of march being a penalty away at West Brom.
Now that’s a defensive crisis I can live by!
Individually the pair also seem to have flourished. Mertesacker enjoyed his second season, ending the 2012-13 campaign with only 1 error leading to a shot. He also racked up 160 clearances, more than any other arsenal defender. He had an aerial duel win percentage of 67% (other leading defenders – Williams 56%, Vidic 66%, Jagielka 64%, Vertonghen 62%, Kompany 59%). Lets also remember that he bagged a goal in each of the games against Spurs. Good lad.
Meanwhile Koscielny had a very high tackle success rate of 83% (Williams 73%, Vidic 65%, Jagielka 67%, Vertonghen 80%, Kompany 81%). He individually racked up an interception every 33 minutes due to his pace and anticipation. He also scored the goal to put Arsenal into the Champions League again for the second year in a row. Very good lad.
So where has this ‘defensively weak Arsenal’ line come from?
Maybe its just lazy stereotypes, its all too easy to say it. When Arsenal were grinding out 1-0 wins away at Sunderland, QPR, Fulham and Newcastle, people still claimed Arsenal played free-flowing attacking football and were suspect in defence. In fact the opposite was true, Arsenal were actually grinding out these results, scoring from few chances they had whilst remaining strong at the back.
Whilst the run at the end of the season muted the ‘defensively weak Arsenal’ calls somewhat, the first result of the season against Aston villa raised them up again. From all departments people were claiming arsenal needed defensive signings. Ex-players on TV all too ready to give their little input, grateful for the camera to be on them once more, for just enough time for them to say something stupid and remind everyone why they aren’t on TV regularly (“Arsenal should sign Samba/Dann/Upson” – hah). It was ignored quite quickly that the ‘crisis’ against Villa included 2 penalties and Arsenal had 10 men for a large portion of the game (2 of them awful decisions from the ref that quickly got him demoted the next weekend).
Last campaign the only dropped points in the run post Spurs were a 0-0 and a 1-1. A lack of scoring rather than an obvious defensive problem. There were also 3 nervy 1-0 wins. How can you improve on 0-0’s, 1-1’s and 1-0 wins? Only one way – bringing me neatly back around to the signing of Ozil and whether it really was the position arsenal needed (almost like I planned it!)
Against Aston Villa, going for the second goal, the final pass was always slightly over hit, or ever so slightly wayward. A top class attacking midfielder sliding balls into Giroud and Walcott would have resulted in a completely different ending.
The home match against Spurs was another classic example of everything in this article, luckily for me! The defence was strong, resolute, and gave away barely any chances. Meanwhile, at the other end, Arsenal grabbed a chance when they could and spent the rest of the game almost scoring the second. On a number of occasions the opportunity for the final ball was there, yet the pass was lacking – including the slide through to Walcott which Lloris did excellently for. A more accomplished, talented, number 10 (such as Ozil, as a random example) would have picked out his man on one of these occasions and put the match beyond doubt.
You can also look last seasons domestic cup exists – two awful displays against Bradford and Blackburn (sorry for bringing them up again). Arsenal failed to score at home against Blackburn and only scored against lower league Bradford from a set piece. A greater attacking threat and Arsenal would easily bypass this opposition.
So how do you improve a team with a great defensive record that struggled to kill off games and score enough goals? With a top class number 10. Easy. Not with throwing another centre-back into the mix, no matter what the ‘experts’ say. Now, where’s Samba..?

Herr Floyd - PEGIDA
09-20-2013, 07:53 PM
Only children and biased non intellectual Arsenal supporters would deny it.

Herr Floyd - PEGIDA
09-20-2013, 07:57 PM
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/premier-league/best-d efence.html (http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/premier-league/best-defence.html)

Nicosia Gooner
09-20-2013, 07:59 PM

Mc Gooner
09-20-2013, 08:02 PM
http://media.screened.com/uploads/0/2774/300282-so_cartman.jpg

Herr Floyd - PEGIDA
09-20-2013, 08:04 PM
mong

CrossGun
09-20-2013, 08:06 PM
but our defence is not as bad many make out.

Nicosia Gooner
09-20-2013, 08:08 PM
for you to learn things but do give it a try

The Rob2
09-20-2013, 08:09 PM
how many chances did Sunderland have for example? and Marseille

We've got away with it so far

Koscielny has done nothing but back up my claims he's a f**king liability with 3 pens and 1 red so far this season

and don't get me started on zee mert!

Nicosia Gooner
09-20-2013, 08:10 PM

The Rob2
09-20-2013, 08:10 PM

Herr Floyd - PEGIDA
09-20-2013, 08:11 PM
and spaztwits like you yer daft string vest wearing, cheap lager swilling, 2nd hand butt smoking, wife beating, benefits scrounging, overweight, greasy haired, BO smelling, incoherent Jock Bellend!

Nicosia Gooner
09-20-2013, 08:12 PM

Herr Floyd - PEGIDA
09-20-2013, 08:12 PM

Peter
09-20-2013, 08:12 PM
Lets face it, most pundits know f**k all about most clubs. They may know a bit about their own ex club but in the main They know virtually f**k all.

Most will still tell you that mertesacker and kos are ****. Hence most fans think they are. A friend recently laughed at me for saying that mertesacker was a decent signing. Roared his head off.

Plus, the BBC do seem, to have it in for us a little bit. Just seems that way, though i may be imagining it.

Herr Floyd - PEGIDA
09-20-2013, 08:13 PM

Peter
09-20-2013, 08:13 PM
Our downfall this season will be injuries and lack of cover

Mc Gooner
09-20-2013, 08:14 PM
You've trotted that uninspiring nonsense out before. 1/10

And 1 is being kind as I'm in a generous mood

The Rob2
09-20-2013, 08:15 PM

Nicosia Gooner
09-20-2013, 08:17 PM

Herr Floyd - PEGIDA
09-20-2013, 08:17 PM
Ive no time to compose new cuss material. I will put it on my to do list.

Nicosia Gooner
09-20-2013, 08:18 PM

Herr Floyd - PEGIDA
09-20-2013, 08:18 PM

The Rob2
09-20-2013, 08:18 PM

Nicosia Gooner
09-20-2013, 08:20 PM

The Rob2
09-20-2013, 08:21 PM
he's decent but he's no world beater, he's got a f**k up in him, despite being 7 foot tall he often looks like a little lost boy,and he's f**king slow

he's a 7/10 defender

playing with koscielny makes him look like a 9

Bergkamp's Brain
09-20-2013, 08:24 PM

Deleted Account
09-20-2013, 08:40 PM
Our defence is not something I would overly rely on, nor has it been since 2003-4 (which in itself was a blip, Wenger doesn't really do defending except in short spells)

03/4 26
04/5 36
05/6 31
06/7 35
07/8 31
08/9 37
9/10 41
10/11 43
11/12 49
12/13 37

07/08 was the last acceptable season defensively.

But when you look at some of the figures chelsea and U@nited have put in over the seasons since 2004 our defence has been second rate at best.

Top sides defending badly for a season doesn't make our defence
good. Just as a room of drunks doesn't make a tipsy man sober.

Herr Floyd - PEGIDA
09-20-2013, 08:47 PM
Unfortunately its wasted on Nicosia who still sleeps in Arsenal pyjamas

Peter
09-20-2013, 08:48 PM
Long old miracle that is. :-)

On a serious note, if you couldnt see the difference in our defensive play in that marseille game from, say, a year or two ago then i dont know what else to say.

The huge ging holes have gone, the glaring errors are fairly rare now. We are far from defensively perfect but we ae a lot more solid, defensively and tactically, than we hve been fpr years. It isnt all down to the two centre backs but it couldnt happen without them.

Hendon Gooner (Only Easy Day Was Yesterday))
09-20-2013, 08:48 PM
win us last season..or the season before...or the season before that...or the season before that.....

:rubchin:

Nicosia Gooner
09-20-2013, 08:53 PM
you have noticed he made reference to this information you have wasted time in posting here

You say we have a terrible defence yet last season we were the 2nd best in the premier league, is that bad?

Actually we had the best defence in the last 4 months of the season so perhaps you don't have a clue about our defence

and I am well aware on your thoughts on Wenger especially your belief that he has limited tactics, this is a man that has won the double twice for Arsenal and took them to the 49 unbeaten run, how stupid that makes you?

Nicosia Gooner
09-20-2013, 08:54 PM

Hendon Gooner (Only Easy Day Was Yesterday))
09-20-2013, 09:11 PM
C'mon Nic's - I expect better from you.

If everything has been so wonderful at Arsenal for the last 9 seasons then where are the trophies?

How many points behind the leaders did we finish last season and the season before etc.. if the defence was so wonderful?

Sorry if that upsets you.

You can't say that Shearer and Hansen should shut their mouths etc as though they don't know what they are talking about....and then refer to an article proclaiming that our defence isn't so bad.

The Tony
09-20-2013, 09:15 PM
So Metersacker will always be a slow arse German and Koscielny a dozy French liability.

we can't change them. They will always be like that....even if win a quadruple and go the season unbeaten.....Mert will always be slow and Kos a ****er in their eyes....

Nicosia Gooner
09-20-2013, 09:24 PM
defence

Hendon Gooner (Only Easy Day Was Yesterday))
09-20-2013, 09:26 PM
:hehe:


Cheers Nic's - I needed a good laugh before bedtime....

:wave:

Ashberto
09-20-2013, 09:29 PM
I believe is that this group of players is developing into a decent defending unit - albeit still with some silly mistakes.

If we can cut out the penalties for starters that'll reduce half the goals we're currently conceding. We are an attacking team, so we should expect to score lots of goals, and probably to concede some. Our defence is not perfect but it isn't as bad as some insist. Shouting NO TROPHIES as an attempted trump card to claim that this this current team is no good is a lazy argument imo.

Hendon Gooner (Only Easy Day Was Yesterday))
09-20-2013, 09:49 PM
Still a long way to go and a long way to improve....

Mc Gooner
09-21-2013, 06:26 AM